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Free child care, $30 per hour minimum wage, government grocery stores, free mass transit, rent freezes.

Vote for Mickey Mouse.

I’m sure poll will be ignored by Democrats, because I’ve been told “they aren’t predictive.” Heard that a lot before Trump was elected again.

Party can’t do much about the current situation being in the minority. People are frustrated.

I'm not sure the reason for the disapproval for those being polled (I can't speak for others), but I know my disapproval is my frustration with the lack of fight (or ineffective fight) from our Democratic leadership. Our country is going down in flames, but I don't see a lot of high-profile Democrats fighting back with anything but rhetoric.

Newsom is surging in the polling as a Presidential candidate, and I think it's due to the way he's fighting back at Trump. He's not taking the bait and reacting with ineffective rants; he's taking an offensive approach. And he's taking ACTION, like he did in getting Prop 50 on the ballot so quickly. Instead of reacting with "that's not fair!!!", and doing nothing, he's saying "Two can play that game" and then actually doing something.

From blue collar hard working families, ceding them to Trump in favor of billionaires and special interests.

Yes! Biden had more billionaire donors in 20 and 24 than Trump.

Give me a 45 year old "Bill Clinton" in 2028 and he'll win big, twice... serve for 8 years.

Older Democrats who lived through the Clinton era don't like hearing this but there are lots of people out there with egalitarian sensibilities and humble roots who view the Clintons as folks who sold out and cashed in. I am not speaking to how deserved that might or might not be, just that it persists. Their association with welfare reform, crime bills, the Telecommunications Act of 1996 and Clinton's pardon of Marc Rich changed how they were viewed by a lot of non-partisans out there.

Once they became common sights among the upper crust and their daughter glided into the privileged ranks of high-finance, they no longer seemed to be people completely in touch with common Americans.

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Trump won over the blue collar families despite hurting them far more than the Democratic Party.

The issues are a lot more complicated than policy. Kamala's policies would have helped blue-collar families far more than Trump's policies, but those same blue-collar families weren't motivated by policy.

Those who felt the party "walked away" are feeling walked away from for many reasons. I think they feel "walked away" from because they see a world that is changing, and it scares them. Trump was able to pick up on that and basically promise them a world that no longer exists. He also gave them someone else to blame.

Unless we have a candidate who can get the message across, it won't matter what the Democratic Party's policies are.

They fell for the trans panic
They want a break from talking about equality stuff. A whole lot of people fell for the Dems only care about quotas and they don't care about anything else.

It boils down to a media that sells out on Republican talking points and a party with no shame.

Dems have to adjust. We are ALREADY known as the party that protects trans and LGBTQ and women and minorities. We need to stop selling what we are already on brand with

We should be talking about nothing but the economy. How we are going to make things cheaper. And don't get bogged down in details bc Trump proved those don't matter. Don't get bogged down in what did Trump do today bc voters don't vote on that.

They vote their feels and their feels are usually based upon who will do better on the economy. If any candidate is talking about anything else it's, at best, a wasted moment.

The GOP are able to frame the Democrats as whatever cultural outrage issue they (GOP) are manufacturing because Democrats keep taking the bait instead of remaining focused on what actually matters. By arguing "We're not that! ", the Dems immediately put themselves on the defensive. It's a game where they get outplayed over and over again.

That's why I like Newsom's approach of not getting dragged into the culture war debate; instead, he immediately diffuses whatever "outrage" the GOP is trying to gin up, laughing at it and giving it the due it deserves (which is none), then pivots to the issues the majority of Americans actually care about.

I'm no fan of Reagan, but I remember when Reagan immediately diffused the labeling of him being "too old" in the debate with Mondale, where he said: ""I will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit, for political purposes, my opponent's youth and inexperience." Imagine if, instead, Reagan had gone on the defensive and argued that his age wasn't a factor, trying to list all the reasons why...that would have kept that issue alive. Dems need to stop arguing the ridiculous and stay focused on what matters.

Anyway, the real money went to the PACs, not the campaigns.
Besides, Democrats don't own a propaganda network like Fox News.

I grew up in Indiana, which is a very red state, with vestiges of the KKK mindset still lurking (one of the most powerful branches of the Klan was in Indiana). Yet, with all of that, Obama won Indiana in 2008. Think of that, a black Democrat won in a red state like Indiana. Why is that? Because Obama was such an effective communicator. Obama also had a way of making others feel as if they belonged, as if they were part of something bigger than themselves. In a negative way, Trump achieved the same with MAGA.

To quote President Johnson: “If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.” I think that's the MAGA mindset. Though no longer limited to blacks only. Women, brown people, LGBTQ, etc.

including social media.

Be so bad. But they own like 10 propaganda networks (in addition to Fox News there is Fox Business, Newsmax, the Blaze, OANN, RSBN, real Americas Voice, TBN, CBN, EWTN) plus like 95% of talk radio which reaches more people than all the TV networks combined

don't have it IMO.

and are probably an older demographic.

Add to that, national polls mean very little, and favorability polls even less.

We have a crew of them here.

Why do we have endure Trump shit on a Democratic site?

trying to point out that things aren't going so well and the answer is to mock them? Sounds like a winning strategy to me.
The OP is as accurate as it is unfortunate and troubling. Plugging our ears and wearing a blindfold is bound to fix it though.
But we can't talk about that.

And then plays the victim.

Of course there’s also “Ukraine should surrender unconditionally” and “FDR/Churchill were as bad as Hitler”, and the anti-NASA pro Space X rhetoric, too. It goes on and on.

But the lack of pushback on the others is duly noted.

Completely misunderstood of course...

You have denigrated NASA while lavishing absurd levels of praise on Space X. You made the ridiculous suggestion that Trump's b-day parade wasn't really about Trump, which was roundly mocked. I'm not the only one who has noticed these things.

Not sure who "Larry" and "KOAD" are.

I can't wait for the "unexplained" edit.

And Russia would never invade Ukraine.

WOW.

Not the same as innocent

by larger margins than ever before.

Adelita Grijalva just won the seat in Arizona by 39%. Harris won that district by just 22%, Biden in 2020 won it by just 33%, and her father won the district last November by just 27%.

We don't control our story. They've bought their own Media machine that spins every incident against Dems.

Trump's Media-Saturation approach takes up all the oxygen. Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump.

the low numbers are driven primarily by men who do not identify as Democrats, aka the same people who keep the con's approval rating higher than it should be.

The corrupt corporate media trashes democrats every day and have been doing so for decades.

Short of a Declare a Civil War....what are they supposed to do exactly??

They a long with Gallup & Pew have consistently showed the worst approval ratings for Trump. Trump has been below 40% in their polls for several months.

declare Civil War....what exactly are they supposed to do

Everything else is secondary.

...the culture wars.

I live in a very red area of a very red state, and I can tell you that out here all "they" care about is whether abortion is illegal, guns are available, and if a trans boy is allowed to beat a girl in a sport. Full stop.

Yes, it is insanity, but it's true.

They would rather have their culture wars than healthcare, safe jobs, or anything else you can name.

We've been roundly punished at the polls for caring about everyone. Because we think even one marginalized person deserves love and respect, we are in the situation where hundreds of thousands are bring deported to countries they have never been in, where marginalized communities are losing their rights, and where every one of us is sliding into an authoritarian state.

I don't claim to know the answer to how we counter this and get back to relevance, but this is what I see on the ground. Standing up for people outside of the mainstream--as Jesus so famously was purported to do--has unfortunately cost us in rural areas of the country.

Until we can convince the majority of Americans that they should support people they have nothing in common with, we are in trouble electorally. It's either that or abandon them--which none of us are prepared to do. Heck, even a lot of them do not support us at the ballot box.

So where do we go from here?

I grew up in a red state and live in a VERY red county in California. All the MAGA care about are culture wars. And I honestly don't think they actually care about those things they rail against. I don't think they care about abortion, for example, other than it's a way to demonize those they don't like, as well as to feel a part of a "club"

During the mask mandate, for example, you'd see them walk into the store without a mask, wearing their MAGA hats, scanning people for their reaction, practically begging for someone to say something. Negative attention is better than no attention.

How do you combat that? I don't know.

or looks the other way when bigots are beatified in the halls of congress,

your base will not approve, and neutral observers will see you for the punks you are.

I am not fucking surprised.

When this party stops bending over and throwing immigrants, minorities, LGBTQ, under the bus for comity's sake, it might see better numbers

Nazis are in the Whitehouse, motherfuckers.

Act like it.

Most people don't understand policy. They only understand me, me, me. These people think that not using the n-word and listening to hip hop means they aren't racist. These people think that waving to the gay neighbors down the street means they aren't homophobic. These people think that going to the Mexican restaurant where all the staff speakers broken English means they are tolerant of immigrants.

Republicans have been able to win the rhetoric war that Democrats care more about these "groups" of people than they do white middle class people. Republicans aren't offering to do anything for white middle class people. But they do preach that Democrats are going to prioritize everything and everyone else over them.

Again, they don't understand policy. Most people don't. If people understood economic policy Republicans would never win an election. But they don't.

What is our strategy? What ar are policies?

Where is our "Contract with America?"

I'm pretty disappointed that we don't have a MUCH more aggressive campaign to turn this around.

Republicans are blamed because of what they're doing.

Democrats are blamed because they haven't stopped it.

Seems like a good way to ignore the Democratic victories, since the current insanity started with Bush and then the racial backlash from Obama... who was elected in 2008...

Polls.. Hah... Good God, Y'all.. What are they good for, absolutely nuthin!

(Apologies to Whitfield and Strong.)

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the absence of Leadership. Starting with Schumer &
Jeffries..

Reps have social media. We do not. What do we have, Meidas? Yes, but they have Rogan. Asmongold. Shapiro. Stuckley. Walsh. Knowles. ShoeOnHead. Nuxanor. Chelzor. The list goes on and on and on and on. No, they don't have 50 M views each, but each and every one has 10m and it all adds up. With titles like "Leftists are evil". and "Why I left the left" and "The Left wants war".

And then you have all the reaction videos which often garner millions more views than the original video of any of those folks.

I mean shit, we had a pro-Kirk/Conservative rally in Ireland and another in the Phillipines and yet another in Japan for Godssake. In the meantime, what are we doing?

People look at the modern Dem party and wonder why there's no opposition, why "Charlie Kirk" day was "Unanimously" approved (Yes, I'm aware that it was a resolution and not an active vote but that's what social media sez,) and we're perceived as weak. Helpless. Meek. Spineless.

And even here, we have people saying "B-b-b-but we're out of power, we can't do anything! We're poor, helpless, meek, weak little babies!"

You can vote against stuff. It doesn't matter that it won't "do" a damn thing, if we oppose them, we defy them. We can take a stand. We can make our stance known in a way the world can understand and see outright. If we blindly vote "Yes" to what the Reps are offering, then fall back and say "We had no choice!" we're no better than the Nazis running the government, and all the fuckers who say "But we were just doing what we had to!" may as well be saying "We were just following orders!".

Silence is complicity. Acquiescence is abetting. And I'm tired of saying otherwise.

especially the ones bad about Dems, I have never been polled, not once.

just because their base supports them unquestioningly. Their base asks nothing of them except that they "make liberals cry". Dems actually use critical thinking skills and don't tell pollsters that they approve of their leaders if they're not happy with their performance.