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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAre Military Lawyers Being Sidelined? -- Dan Maurer - Lawfare
https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/are-military-lawyers-being-sidelinedThe TdA boat strike, which JAGs likely would have advised against, raises alarm bells for the militarys legitimacy.
https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/jags-alone-can-t-defend-rule-of-lawIn an earlier Lawfare article, I wrote:
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[N]o military lawyers outside the Pentagonthe judge advocate officers ranging in rank from junior lieutenants to the senior colonels (Army, Air Force, Marines) and captains (Navy, Coast Guard)assigned to operational units and bases, posts, camps, and stations worldwide, can serve as adequate bulwarks against the rapid erosion of the Defense Departments commitment to the rule of law.
As a former judge advocate officer, I have grown increasingly concerned in the six months since I wrote it, and especially with this recent action. When those bulwarks are removed or ignored, force is used in criminal ways that delegitimize the armed forces.
The Tren de Aragua boat attack has been framed by the administration as if it is legally equivalent to a strike on a terrorist group in a foreign country during military operations sanctioned by Congress. That framing raises serious questions about the availability and effectiveness of government lawyers throughout the chain of command who would have or should have raised red flags before this operation commenced. Having advised operational headquarters on the law of jus ad bellum and the laws of armed conflict (LOAC, jus in bello), and having taught those subjects, as well as international human rights law, at both West Point and the Armys The Judge Advocate Generals Legal Center and School, my focus is on a large subset of those lawyers: judge advocates general (JAGs). JAGs are commissioned military officers licensed to practice law and assigned to positions where that knowledge, skill, and expertise is used to counsel commanders and represent the interests of the Department of Defense, ensuring the former comply with applicable laws and regulations when executing missions for the latter.
If these lawyers were kept in the dark during the strike, it would reflect a serious breach of a norm (and established administrative and military doctrinal processes) meant to ensure U.S. military operations are vetted for legality constantly. If they did review the strike and determined it was lawful under domestic and international law, I believe (and a great many others do too) that they were clearly wrong. This leaves open several possibilities: They were not consulted; they were ignored; they succumbed to groupthink despite a duty for independence; or similarly, they were directed to accept a high-level legal conclusion, depriving them of the opportunity to exercise independent legal judgment.
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LetMyPeopleVote
(170,303 posts)This is one of the most scary part of Hegseth's and trump's purge of military personnel. Hegseth and trump want to remove any JAG officers who might rule that trump's orders are unlawful. This is designed to convert the military into a force loyal to trump where there will no one to stand up to any illegal orders issued by trump
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Here is a link to a free article
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/22/us/politics/hegseth-firings-military-lawyers-jag.html?unlocked_article_code=1.zE4.Gbvm.fozhSinwG5Le&smid=tw-share
Mr. Hegseth, in the Pentagon and during his meetings with troops last week in Europe, has spoken repeatedly about the need to restore a warrior ethos to a military that he insists has become soft, social-justice obsessed and more bureaucratic over the past two decades.
His decision to replace the militarys judge advocates general typically three-star military officers offers a sense of how he defines the ethos that he has vowed to instill.
The dismissals came as part of a broader push by Mr. Hegseth and President Trump, who late Friday also fired Gen. Charles Q. Brown, the countrys top military officer, as well as the first woman to lead the Navy and the vice chief of staff of the Air Force.....
The unexplained dismissals prompted widespread concern. In some ways thats even more chilling than firing the four stars, Rosa Brooks, a professor at Georgetown Law, wrote on X. Its what you do when youre planning to break the law: you get rid of any lawyers who might try to slow you down......
By comparison, the three fired judge advocates general, also known as JAGs, are far less prominent. Inside the Pentagon and on battlefields around the world, military lawyers arent decision makers. Their job is to provide independent legal advice to senior military officers so that they do not run afoul of U.S. law or the laws of armed conflict......
In his book, The War on Warriors, which was published last year, Mr. Hegseth castigates military lawyers for imposing overly restrictive rules of engagement on frontline troops, which he argues repeatedly allowed the enemy to score battlefield victories.
Mr. Hegseth derisively refers to the lawyers in the book as jagoffs. The term led Senator Jack Reed, Democrat of Rhode Island and a West Point graduate, to ask Mr. Hegseth at a confirmation hearing whether he could effectively lead the military after disparaging it.
trump and Hegseth want to remove anyone who might rule that trump is issuing illegal orders or violating the rules of war. trump wanted to use the military in civil unrest during his first term and was blocked by General Milley and others. trump and Hegseth are getting rid of anyone who might stop trump from doing this in the future
This is scary
erronis
(21,400 posts)It was amazing how quickly all the top levels of the military and other departments were removed.
No way trump, even under Miller's command, could have conceived of this and effectuated it so quickly. I'm no historian but I'll be there are some parallels with the Bolsheviks.
LetMyPeopleVote
(170,303 posts)Trump's first Friday Night Massacre targeted inspectors general and his second targeted judge advocates general. The war on accountability continues.
Hegseth: We donât want any lawyers that might be obstacles to anything that might âhappenâ.
— ELying (@muskow.bsky.social) 2025-02-24T20:46:34.365Z
Sounds legit to me. ð³
Hegseth defends JAG firings in the most unpersuasive way possible - MSNBC
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/hegseth-defends-jag-firings-unpersuasive-way-possible-rcna193423
In an op-ed for The Washington Post, Sen. Jack Reed, the ranking member on the Senate Armed Services Committee and a former Army paratrooper, helped explain why:
Firing the militarys most senior legal advisers is an unprecedented and explicit move to install officers who will yield to the presidents interpretation of the law, with the expectation they will be little more than yes men on the most consequential questions of military law.
Hegseth and trump want to convert the military into a force loyal only to trump. It sounds like trump and Hegseth plan to commit acts that a real JAG would block as being an illegal order or unconstitutional
It was against this backdrop that Hegseth appeared on Fox News Sunday and was asked to explain the move. His answer was far from reassuring.
https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:4llrhdclvdlmmynkwsmg5tdc/post/3liu3tpbfhs2h
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Ultimately, we want lawyers who give sound constitutional advice and dont exist to attempt to be roadblocks to anything that happens, the Pentagon chief said.
Hmm. In other words, the secretary of defense believes there might be things that happen, and hes concerned that the top lawyers for the Army, Navy and Air Force might get in the way.
For those keeping a saying the quiet part loud list, its probably worth filing this quote away for future reference.
As for the larger context, its also worth emphasizing the apparent fact that Team Trump appears to be taking steps to eliminate watchdogs from the federal government. Indeed, the presidents first Friday Night Massacre targeted inspectors general, and his second targeted, among others, judge advocates general.
A few weeks ago, The New York Times published an editorial that argued the Republican White House is moving to eliminate the tools of accountability in government in quick order.
Hegseth and trump want to convert the military into trump's praetorian guard. Hegseth wants a JAG corp that will not question any actions taken by trump or which will declare any orders given by trump to be illegal.