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erronis

(21,400 posts)
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 05:31 PM Thursday

Are Military Lawyers Being Sidelined? -- Dan Maurer - Lawfare

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/are-military-lawyers-being-sidelined

The TdA boat strike, which JAGs likely would have advised against, raises alarm bells for the military’s legitimacy.

On Sept. 2, President Trump announced that the U.S. military had struck a Venezuelan vessel allegedly carrying narcotics, killing 11 people. The strike—justified as “self-defense” as part of the U.S.’s counternarcotics strategy—drew sharp criticism. It has since been followed by two other U.S. strikes on Venezuelan vessels. Most experts agree that Trump’s controversial order violated domestic criminal law and international human rights law and exceeded the president’s Article II foreign relations and commander-in-chief authorities, constituting what Marty Lederman calls an “indefensible breach of the fundamental norm against targeting civilians.” But the attacks also raise serious questions about the availability and effectiveness of government lawyers throughout the chain of command who would have—or should have—raised red flags before this operation commenced.

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/jags-alone-can-t-defend-rule-of-lawIn an earlier Lawfare article, I wrote:
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[N]o military lawyers outside the Pentagon—the judge advocate officers ranging in rank from junior lieutenants to the senior colonels (Army, Air Force, Marines) and captains (Navy, Coast Guard)—assigned to operational units and bases, posts, camps, and stations worldwide, can serve as adequate bulwarks against the rapid erosion of the Defense Department’s commitment to the rule of law.




As a former judge advocate officer, I have grown increasingly concerned in the six months since I wrote it, and especially with this recent action. When those bulwarks are removed or ignored, force is used in criminal ways that delegitimize the armed forces.

The Tren de Aragua boat attack has been framed by the administration as if it is legally equivalent to a strike on a terrorist group in a foreign country during military operations sanctioned by Congress. That framing raises serious questions about the availability and effectiveness of government lawyers throughout the chain of command who would have or should have raised red flags before this operation commenced. Having advised operational headquarters on the law of jus ad bellum and the laws of armed conflict (LOAC, jus in bello), and having taught those subjects, as well as international human rights law, at both West Point and the Army’s The Judge Advocate General’s Legal Center and School, my focus is on a large subset of those lawyers: judge advocates general (JAGs). JAGs are commissioned military officers licensed to practice law and assigned to positions where that knowledge, skill, and expertise is used to counsel commanders and represent the interests of the Department of Defense, ensuring the former comply with applicable laws and regulations when executing missions for the latter.

If these lawyers were kept in the dark during the strike, it would reflect a serious breach of a norm (and established administrative and military doctrinal processes) meant to ensure U.S. military operations are vetted for legality constantly. If they did review the strike and determined it was lawful under domestic and international law, I believe (and a great many others do too) that they were clearly wrong. This leaves open several possibilities: They were not consulted; they were ignored; they succumbed to groupthink despite a duty for independence; or similarly, they were directed to accept a high-level legal conclusion, depriving them of the opportunity to exercise independent legal judgment.

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LetMyPeopleVote

(170,303 posts)
1. In Pursuit of a 'Warrior Ethos,' Hegseth Targets Military's Top Lawyers
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 05:43 PM
Thursday

This is one of the most scary part of Hegseth's and trump's purge of military personnel. Hegseth and trump want to remove any JAG officers who might rule that trump's orders are unlawful. This is designed to convert the military into a force loyal to trump where there will no one to stand up to any illegal orders issued by trump



Here is a link to a free article
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/22/us/politics/hegseth-firings-military-lawyers-jag.html?unlocked_article_code=1.zE4.Gbvm.fozhSinwG5Le&smid=tw-share

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth’s decision to fire the top lawyers for the Army, Navy and Air Force represents an opening salvo in his push to remake the military into a force that is more aggressive on the battlefield and potentially less hindered by the laws of armed conflict.

Mr. Hegseth, in the Pentagon and during his meetings with troops last week in Europe, has spoken repeatedly about the need to restore a “warrior ethos” to a military that he insists has become soft, social-justice obsessed and more bureaucratic over the past two decades.

His decision to replace the military’s judge advocates general — typically three-star military officers — offers a sense of how he defines the ethos that he has vowed to instill.

The dismissals came as part of a broader push by Mr. Hegseth and President Trump, who late Friday also fired Gen. Charles Q. Brown, the country’s top military officer, as well as the first woman to lead the Navy and the vice chief of staff of the Air Force.....

The unexplained dismissals prompted widespread concern. “In some ways that’s even more chilling than firing the four stars,” Rosa Brooks, a professor at Georgetown Law, wrote on X. “It’s what you do when you’re planning to break the law: you get rid of any lawyers who might try to slow you down.”.....

By comparison, the three fired judge advocates general, also known as “JAGs,” are far less prominent. Inside the Pentagon and on battlefields around the world, military lawyers aren’t decision makers. Their job is to provide independent legal advice to senior military officers so that they do not run afoul of U.S. law or the laws of armed conflict......

In his book, “The War on Warriors,” which was published last year, Mr. Hegseth castigates military lawyers for imposing overly restrictive rules of engagement on frontline troops, which he argues repeatedly allowed the enemy to score battlefield victories.

Mr. Hegseth derisively refers to the lawyers in the book as “jagoffs.” The term led Senator Jack Reed, Democrat of Rhode Island and a West Point graduate, to ask Mr. Hegseth at a confirmation hearing whether he could effectively lead the military after disparaging it.

trump and Hegseth want to remove anyone who might rule that trump is issuing illegal orders or violating the rules of war. trump wanted to use the military in civil unrest during his first term and was blocked by General Milley and others. trump and Hegseth are getting rid of anyone who might stop trump from doing this in the future

This is scary

erronis

(21,400 posts)
4. The playbook for this regime was to decapitate anyone who had authority that wasn't a trumpist.
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 05:50 PM
Thursday

It was amazing how quickly all the top levels of the military and other departments were removed.

No way trump, even under Miller's command, could have conceived of this and effectuated it so quickly. I'm no historian but I'll be there are some parallels with the Bolsheviks.

LetMyPeopleVote

(170,303 posts)
2. MaddowBlog-Hegseth defends JAG firings in the most unpersuasive way possible
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 05:44 PM
Thursday

Trump's first “Friday Night Massacre” targeted inspectors general and his second targeted judge advocates general. The war on accountability continues.

Hegseth: We don’t want any lawyers that might be obstacles to anything that might “happen”.

Sounds legit to me. 😳

Hegseth defends JAG firings in the most unpersuasive way possible - MSNBC

ELying (@muskow.bsky.social) 2025-02-24T20:46:34.365Z


https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/hegseth-defends-jag-firings-unpersuasive-way-possible-rcna193423

In case these dubious terminations weren’t enough, the Trump administration also announced around the same time that it’s firing the top lawyers for the Army, Navy and Air Force. In fact, Steve Vladeck, a law professor at Georgetown University, wrote via Bluesky that firing these judge advocates general (JAGs) “is just as bad as, if not worse” than Trump’s other Friday night firings.

In an op-ed for The Washington Post, Sen. Jack Reed, the ranking member on the Senate Armed Services Committee and a former Army paratrooper, helped explain why:

Firing the military’s most senior legal advisers is an unprecedented and explicit move to install officers who will yield to the president’s interpretation of the law, with the expectation they will be little more than yes men on the most consequential questions of military law.

Hegseth and trump want to convert the military into a force loyal only to trump. It sounds like trump and Hegseth plan to commit acts that a real JAG would block as being an illegal order or unconstitutional

It was against this backdrop that Hegseth appeared on “Fox News Sunday” and was asked to explain the move. His answer was far from reassuring.
https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:4llrhdclvdlmmynkwsmg5tdc/post/3liu3tpbfhs2h



“Ultimately, we want lawyers who give sound constitutional advice and don’t exist to attempt to be roadblocks to anything that happens,” the Pentagon chief said.

Hmm. In other words, the secretary of defense believes there might be things that “happen,” and he’s concerned that the top lawyers for the Army, Navy and Air Force might get in the way.

For those keeping a “saying the quiet part loud” list, it’s probably worth filing this quote away for future reference.

As for the larger context, it’s also worth emphasizing the apparent fact that Team Trump appears to be taking steps to eliminate watchdogs from the federal government. Indeed, the president’s first “Friday Night Massacre” targeted inspectors general, and his second targeted, among others, judge advocates general.

A few weeks ago, The New York Times published an editorial that argued the Republican White House “is moving to eliminate the tools of accountability in government in quick order.”

Hegseth and trump want to convert the military into trump's praetorian guard. Hegseth wants a JAG corp that will not question any actions taken by trump or which will declare any orders given by trump to be illegal.

erronis

(21,400 posts)
5. Hegseth doesn't really know what he wants. He'll wait for daddy and daddy's handlers to let him know. (hic)
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 05:52 PM
Thursday
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