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Bluesaph

(981 posts)
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 02:54 PM Thursday

MAGA fractures due to Israel and Epstein

I’ve been watching several MAGA podcasters and for months now they have been speaking up against Trump! This includes Joe Rogan, Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson…

Whether we agree with all of their beliefs or not, we can find some common ground with them. The enemy of my enemy…

If anything, they can hold back their votes in the midterms and encourage their followers to do the same.

Here is an example:

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MAGA fractures due to Israel and Epstein (Original Post) Bluesaph Thursday OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Thursday #1
My point is they are fracturing Bluesaph Thursday #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Thursday #4
We share opinions here. Bluesaph Thursday #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Thursday #6
Like I said... Bluesaph Thursday #8
Zionists have been playing this game with the word "antisemitism" for decades. Gaugamela Thursday #9
They'll bury the hatchet if division means losing political power. Aristus Thursday #3
I thought so at first... Bluesaph Thursday #5
There is a video clip on X of Charlie Kirk womanofthehills Thursday #11
Candace, MTG, Tucker, Getz and Massie womanofthehills Thursday #10
I've been watching this evolve for months Bluesaph Thursday #12

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Bluesaph

(981 posts)
2. My point is they are fracturing
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 03:46 PM
Thursday

We should take advantage of this!

PS. He isn’t antisemitic because he opposes Netanyahu’s Zionism. You can be pro all races (including Jews) and at the same time have an opinion against actions of a government.

Case in point our current situation. People who disagree with the actions of our government are not anti-American, are they?

But to answer your question, I do believe Trump is afraid of BiBi and Putin.

Response to Bluesaph (Reply #2)

Bluesaph

(981 posts)
7. We share opinions here.
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 03:56 PM
Thursday

Labeling someone anti semitic because they disagree with Israel is disingenuous. But I’m not gonna defend Ian Carroll because I disagree with him on 99% of his opinions.

Please see the gist of what I’m saying. They are causing a HUGE SCHISM!

Much like the extreme left didn’t show up for Kamala, if we take advantage of this rift we can keep the extreme right from voting for republicans!!!

Let’s not have purity tests. We don’t always have to agree.

Response to Bluesaph (Reply #2)

Bluesaph

(981 posts)
8. Like I said...
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 03:59 PM
Thursday

Calling everyone who disagrees with Israel and “antisemitic” is ridiculous.

I disagree with Hamas. That doesn’t make me anti-Palestinian.

Just stop it already, please.

Gaugamela

(3,012 posts)
9. Zionists have been playing this game with the word "antisemitism" for decades.
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 04:25 PM
Thursday

It’s laughable. They think they can make anyone quiver with fear at the mere mention of the word, even though they have completely stripped the word of any meaning.

I have no problem suspecting Epstein of working with intelligence, including Mossad. That’s why it all got swept under the rug in 2008.

Aristus

(70,966 posts)
3. They'll bury the hatchet if division means losing political power.
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 03:50 PM
Thursday

They're stupid, but they have an animal's instinct for survival.

Bluesaph

(981 posts)
5. I thought so at first...
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 03:53 PM
Thursday

But part of the Charlie Kirk thing made me look again. According to several close friends of his, he told them he was being pressured to tamp down on the anti-Israel content of some of his guests, like Tucker Carlson. He refused and was bleeding donations.

This isn’t new. It’s been going on for many months. It’s causing a huge schism. Many on the far right are really mad at Trump.

It’s like that horseshoe thing. The two extremes are uniting at the edges of the horseshoe. The left can use this to our advantage by having a big tent.

womanofthehills

(10,405 posts)
11. There is a video clip on X of Charlie Kirk
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 04:44 PM
Thursday

Accusing Israel of having a stand down policy on Oct 7. Said he could cross Israel in 45 minutes so why did it take hrs for Israel to respond. Tucker said Kirk’s donors were livid. Kirk also brought Dave Smith to Turning Points event to debate -
Bringing a Jewish Libertarian pro Palestine guy to debate what’s happening in Gaza -really pissed off his doners according to Tucker, MTG, Megan Kelly and Candace.

womanofthehills

(10,405 posts)
10. Candace, MTG, Tucker, Getz and Massie
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 04:35 PM
Thursday

Attacking Trump policies big time and getting mega followers. I think it’s a big fracture. Even the pro Israel Megan Kelly is interviewing MTG about her vote for not sending weapons to Israel. Now we have MTG going on liberal podcasts .

Candace who is very pro Palestine is doing a deep dive into Charlie Kirk’s death and some estimates are she’s getting over 5 million views on just one platform & she’s on many. So independent podcasters are pulling in Republicans. Across total platforms- Tucker gets 50-260 million impressions/views per episode. That’s a lot of Republicans and Independents! Now we have Tim Dillion with his large audience talking no more support for Israel and very popular on social media - Jewish Libertarian DaveSmith all over social media raging against Trumps Israel policies.

Many Podcasters are against Trump’s Israel policy & Epstein. These are different times -

Also, Rogan says he’s an independent - not a Republican or Dem. Seems like he’s not happy with Trumps policies either.





Bluesaph

(981 posts)
12. I've been watching this evolve for months
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 05:10 PM
Thursday

And it seems to have mushroomed lately.

If we can manage not to turn these people off, maybe we can take advantage of it.

This is MAGA’s worst nightmare: the right joins the left!!!

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