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usonian

(20,853 posts)
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 04:05 PM Wednesday

Why Oracle is perfect for the "new" TikTok.


Europe's largest city council delays fix to disastrous Oracle system once more


System meant to go live in 2021 costing £20M awaits re-implementation with new £170M price tag

https://www.theregister.com/2025/09/24/uk_mega_council_delays_fix/



Europe's largest local authority has delayed the introduction of a vital income management system (IMS) amid confirmation that total spending on a disastrous Oracle implementation could hit £170 million (c $230 million).

Elected representatives of Birmingham City Council's audit committee vented their frustration this week after hearing that the rollout of the IMS – designed to replace the council's banking reconciliation system (BRS), which went so badly wrong after the April 2022 go-live of Oracle Fusion – is to be postponed again.

The council's financial management has been unable to file auditable accounts since it replaced an aging – but functioning – SAP system with new cloud-based software from Oracle. Although the council had expected to implement the system out-of-the-box, it made customized modifications including the introduction of the BRS, which failed to function as planned. The council was declared effectively bankrupt in September 2023, because of the ERP disaster and outstanding equal pay claims. It is now working to reimplement Oracle from scratch and go live in April next year.

In the meantime, it is implementing the IMS. In March 2024, the council decided to buy the off-the-shelf software to resolve the BRS customization issues from the initial Oracle deployment, opting for a CivicaPay solution, which it said would "go live no later than March 31, 2025."


There's more at the link, but it doesn't get any clearer.

Why, I'm so old, I remember when Oracle sold only database software
THAT WORKED.

Those were the days.

I expect the "new" TIkTok to be like this:

Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock .... (silence)
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Why Oracle is perfect for the "new" TikTok. (Original Post) usonian Wednesday OP
I was hoping tech DU would weigh in on this. Maru Kitteh Wednesday #1
TicToc will soon be partly owned by the second richest man in the world womanofthehills Wednesday #3
I see speculation in Hacker News, haven't shared it because it's all up in the air, AFAICT. usonian Wednesday #4
The database was basically built on tax money FHRRK Wednesday #2
the cynical might be concerned awesomerwb1 Wednesday #5

Maru Kitteh

(30,706 posts)
1. I was hoping tech DU would weigh in on this.
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 04:16 PM
Wednesday

Thanks for the thread. I don’t have enough knowledge about TikTok to have anything approximating an informed opinion - but I have seen it working on my daughter’s brain, and I’m inclined to suspicion at best in regards to it’s effects and value.

womanofthehills

(10,405 posts)
3. TicToc will soon be partly owned by the second richest man in the world
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 04:31 PM
Wednesday

Zionist Larry Elision- second richest to Elon Musk- actually a few days he was the richest - is the largest donor to the IDF and best buddies with Netanyahu and Trump.

Many believe we will soon see all anti-genocide posts removed from TicToc , Hope the kids find another place to post because most under 30 now disapprove of Netanyu and his genocide.

“Trump Brokering Deal to Hand TikTok Over to Right-Wing Billionaires Andreessen and Ellison”

“The panic over TikTok was always in part because it is a prime source for factually accurate coverage of the Gaza genocide,” said Nathan J. Robinson, the editor-in-chief of Current Affairs magazine, on X. “Now one of the leading pro-Israel fanatics is set to take control and ensure that young people don’t keep getting videos telling the truth about Palestine.”

https://www.commondreams.org/news/tiktok-andreesen-ellison

usonian

(20,853 posts)
4. I see speculation in Hacker News, haven't shared it because it's all up in the air, AFAICT.
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 04:40 PM
Wednesday

From what I read, the "algorithm" is being reworked into an "American" one, whatever the hell that means.

The point of the algorithm is to make the site more addictive. And the implications of that are, as usual, bad.

It's what makes it a successful business, and also a threat to mental health.

Expect it to become even worse
All the following are "expected" or "to be"

TikTok algorithm to be overseen by Oracle in Trump deal
https://www.archivebuttons.com/articles?article=https://www.ft.com/content/d27e00b5-1997-4f28-b0f7-19139167be31

Trump says Michael Dell is part of the team buying TikTok, with Larry Ellison
https://www.theregister.com/2025/09/22/dell_tiktok_acquisition_interest/

TikTok algorithm to be retrained on US user data under Trump deal (The Bible? Project 2025? )
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gj7mlg9vdo


Pro-Trump Billionaires Are Consolidating Media Control (Before Murdoch entered the fray?)

TikTok is being sold to an investor consortium that includes Oracle, the tech company of pro-Trump billionaire Larry Ellison. The move is yet another big step in the consolidation of major media sources under right-wing control.
https://jacobin.com/2025/09/trump-ellison-tiktok-media-consolidation/

Trump will sign the TikTok deal on Thursday, source says
https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/boards-policy-regulation/trump-will-sign-tiktok-deal-thursday-source-says-2025-09-24/
(no details at all)

FHRRK

(1,209 posts)
2. The database was basically built on tax money
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 04:20 PM
Wednesday

For Dept of Defense, Ellison took it to commercial market.

Couple things, it is Oracle conFusion, and they should have likely used Workday for Financials, HCM, and Payroll. Then built customization on top.

Dollars to donuts the competitors, likely SAP and Workday told them that there wasn’t an out of the box solution for everything, while Oracle told them no issue. Had they done some due diligence they would have found which companies were useful.

For those outside the software world, here is the kicker, if they spent 10 million on software, each year they would have to cut a check for 2.2 million for software support, regardless if they had the solution running,

I did Oracle implementations for almost 20 years as a partner of Oracle. Numerous times I told clients that the proposed solution would not work at the proposed budget. Not once did the client listen, but in almost all cases called back a year or two later and wanted us to come in and fix it at well below the original budget.

awesomerwb1

(4,851 posts)
5. the cynical might be concerned
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 05:55 PM
Wednesday

about TikTok becoming a right wing social media site for the younger age groups.

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