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AnnaLee

(1,309 posts)
1. When you quit thinking for yourself
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 06:58 AM
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When you quit thinking for yourself you rely on your alt-brains to tell you what to think. It need not make sense.

unblock

(55,653 posts)
3. he was a skilled propagandist who achieved celebrity status, particularly among young right-wingers
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 07:23 AM
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not that propaganda requires much skill. just be relentlessly arrogant, argumentative, grandiose, never concede a point, and always insist you won, especially when you obviously lost.

moreover, the right-wing flock quickly moves to serve the interests of their leaders, so whatever charlie kirk may have been in life, the circumstances of his death allowed right-wing leaders to exploit him for purposes of consolidation of power, control of outrage, targeting of democrats/liberals/trans people, etc. the leaders directed that there shall be outrage, and the obedient masses complied.

most of them had probably heard of charlie kirk, but even the ones who hadn't joined in the outrage because that's what the right-wing masses do. they live to be part of the collective outrage, they don't stop to think if it's correct or relevant or whatever, they just love being part of that collective anger.

Bettie

(18,905 posts)
6. Hate dressed in Christian drag
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 07:56 AM
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is their favorite thing. It makes the white evangelicals feel happy and righteous about their hate for anyone who isn't one of "them".

marble falls

(68,734 posts)
7. Because people won't stop talking about the late Chalkie Whatsisname who ain't saying much these days his-self..
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 07:57 AM
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hatrack

(63,628 posts)
8. Because they're assholes, and he was their kind of asshole . . . .
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 07:59 AM
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Hating the same people they hate.

Simple as that.

gab13by13

(29,873 posts)
9. Last Sunday our Magat priest gave a sermon about
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 08:12 AM
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31 year old Kirk bringing so many young people to God that he wishes he could have in 40 years. This priest also said that guns weren't the problem, thinking so is idiotic. Probably most Catholics have been programmed to believe that gay and trans people are big sinners, to put it mildly.

So here in my little town in central Pa. our priest basically gave a eulogy praising Kirk for doing God's work.

harumph

(3,018 posts)
13. IMO the American Catholic Church laity is polluted with various aspects of Calvinism.
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 08:34 AM
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In their thinking - not the official doctrine of course.

https://www.newoxfordreview.org/documents/american-catholics-as-cultural-protestants/

"American Catholics as Cultural Protestants"

While liberal Catholics (wife is one) embody the lessons of the beatitudes, and they're leaving the church because the homilies
are more like screeds - and you have to check your brain at the door.





PJMcK

(24,250 posts)
15. This is one of many reasons I walked away from religion
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 09:03 AM
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I am not going to listen to a “Christian leader” (of any denomination) spout hateful and ignorant nonsense from a pulpit especially when their comments contradict the faith they claim.

EYESORE 9001

(29,074 posts)
10. It's clear to me
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 08:17 AM
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Charlie Kirk was - and remains - a cardboard cutout onto which they can project their hatred of others. He came ready-to-go with his smarmy, glad-handing persona and never ending line of prattle. Seems tailor-made for their specious religiosity.

allegorical oracle

(5,750 posts)
12. If he was "anti" Trump before he calculated that he could use Trump to
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 08:33 AM
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enhance his own popularity (and income), explains much about his true character.

muriel_volestrangler

(104,833 posts)
14. Kirk had moved well into the Christian Nationalist camp recently - racism is part of it
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 08:49 AM
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Remember, "Nationialist" is derived from the Latin "natus"="born" - it's about a "nation" not as a geographical location, but by descent - and Christian Nationalists imply that's European for "real Americans".

Similarly, Turning Point USA, which Kirk founded in 2012, started as a pro-free market organization downstream of the late-2000s Tea Party movement against “big government”, but by the time of his death he had leaned into ideas associated with the Christian right. The organization may have done so because it spotted an opportunity.
...
Kirk had been an evangelical Christian since childhood but earlier in his career expressed reluctance at politicizing his religious views. That changed during the peak of the early pandemic, when Kirk made the acquaintance of several charismatic megachurch pastors protesting church lockdowns. He began to traffic in ideas influenced by the NAR, including the seven-mountain mandate. Turning Point USA also began to forge partnerships with churches.

Kirk’s own evolution was striking: he went from saying, in 2018, that it was important that Christians respect the separation of church and state to denying that any such separation existed in the US constitution.

Kirk never used the exact phrase “seven-mountain mandate”, Boedy said, but at a Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) in 2020 Kirk praised Trump by saying: “Finally, we have a president who understands the seven mountains of cultural influence,” which was one of the most prominent mentions of the concept in the conservative mainstream. Kirk also attended conferences organized around the theme of the seven-mountain mandate.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/20/charlie-kirk-martyr-christian-nationalist-movement
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