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(92,666 posts)
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 01:58 PM Monday

No modern president has ever postured against their political opponents with this much open hatred

Trump on Kirk and Democrats:

He did not hate his opponents. He wanted the best for them. That's where I disagreed with Charlie.

I hate my opponent and I don't want the best for them. I'm sorry


Acyn (@Acyn) September 21, 2025


True leadership will not be measured by the ability to muzzle dissent, or to intimidate and harass political opponents at home.
- Barack Obama

“Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear." [Special Message to the Congress on the Internal Security of the United States, August 8, 1950]”
― Harry S. Truman

“While we may disagree, we are not enemies. We’re neighbors, we’re friends, co-workers, citizens, and most importantly, we are fellow Americans. We must stand together."
― Joe Biden

2023:

“He’s been weaponizing government against his political opponents like a Third World political tyrant,” Trump said to a crowd in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. “Biden and his radical left allies like to pose as standing up as allies of democracy,” Trump continued, arguing: “Joe Biden is not the defender of American democracy, Joe Biden is the destroyer of American democracy.”

Ammar Moussa, a Biden campaign spokesman, responded: “Donald Trump’s America in 2025 is one where the government is his personal weapon to lock up his political enemies. You don’t have to take our word for it — Trump has admitted it himself.”


https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-democracy-election-2024-f2f824f056ae9f81f4e688fe590f41b4


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No modern president has ever postured against their political opponents with this much open hatred (Original Post) bigtree Monday OP
Projection once again bucolic_frolic Monday #1
I have noticed that drivers are much more rude and aggressive. Not a good thing. Walleye Monday #4
Joe is from here in Delaware where politicians don't hate each other Walleye Monday #2
Trump HAS no politics leftstreet Monday #3
All politics is transactional. tRump is all transactional. He has politics Bernardo de La Paz Monday #9
I doubt TrumpHumpers will accept them leftstreet Monday #11
Not all. Some of it exists to do the will of The People, so there's that important element. ancianita Monday #14
The Will of the People is the whole transactional point of democratic politics Bernardo de La Paz Monday #16
Sure. But at first you said "all politics," leaving out the word 'democracy,' which is what I responded to. ancianita Monday #19
Politics includes democracy Bernardo de La Paz Monday #20
Okay, now that you put it that way I understand better. ancianita Monday #21
Ghost of Jobs Bernardo de La Paz Monday #17
OOPS. Here. ancianita Monday #22
I truly believe this ends in genocide Johnny2X2X Monday #5
agree 100%. The goundwork has been laid. The only thing left is to slow-roll it to that extreme. ffr Monday #18
Once again, he lies. greatauntoftriplets Monday #6
Yep - he's a human lard brick of hatred. For anybody who disputes him. nt allegorical oracle Monday #8
They're playing for keeps. n/t Emit Monday #7
In the streets people! Oct. 18 No Kings protest, wherever you are, find a way to show up. That's my piece from now on. 1WorldHope Monday #10
Saturday October 18 for the win! . . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Monday #12
Feeling's mutual but Presidents should not be this way mvd Monday #13
Don't let this imbecile distract anyone about Epstein Denvermosaic Monday #15
The picture title, "Never Forget." spike jones Monday #23
Hate, you say? Here's a pretty nifty quote! Grins Monday #24

bucolic_frolic

(52,495 posts)
1. Projection once again
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 02:05 PM
Monday

The anger is spilling over to the public. I heard epithets muttered at an office worker explaining policy, drivers are leaning on the horn at the slightest infraction. It's YOU who should get out of their way, not them who should avoid you.

Walleye

(42,630 posts)
2. Joe is from here in Delaware where politicians don't hate each other
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 02:07 PM
Monday

I’m sure he couldn’t even understand the concept. Here in Delaware you can’t hate your opponent because your kid will be coached by him in basketball or something. It’s just a big small town. I really wish everyone would start thinking of people as their neighbors.

leftstreet

(37,377 posts)
3. Trump HAS no politics
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 02:08 PM
Monday

No ideology, no political theory

He's a man-baby narcissist who considers anyone who criticizes him an "enemy," be it a world leader, podcaster, or news host

This shitty rhetoric of his will go away when he does. Serious pols won't attempt this again

DURec

Bernardo de La Paz

(58,838 posts)
9. All politics is transactional. tRump is all transactional. He has politics
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 03:05 PM
Monday

Plus I think it would be a mistake to think Vance, Thiel, Project 2025, and Miller will just quietly fade away.

leftstreet

(37,377 posts)
11. I doubt TrumpHumpers will accept them
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 03:11 PM
Monday

The Vances and Thiels will try, sure. But their fascist agenda will have to be hidden again, behind dogwhistling, etc

Trump was the outsider "smart businessman" going to DC to drain the swamp and stop that librul wokey business - that's why they gave him so much latitude on his character and behavior.

They'll need a generation or two before they can launch a new "regular guy" Trump



ancianita

(42,002 posts)
14. Not all. Some of it exists to do the will of The People, so there's that important element.
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 03:29 PM
Monday

Absolutely agree about the Vance, Thiel, Miller, and 2025 stuff not going away.

Still, some in the Valley are torn between their future wealth and how they've benefited from democracy.

Some thoughts from Valley people themselves ...
https://www.wired.com/story/silicon-valley-politics-shift/

I'm betting on their coming to their senses by the next two election cycles....
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=3523946

Bernardo de La Paz

(58,838 posts)
16. The Will of the People is the whole transactional point of democratic politics
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 03:34 PM
Monday

The people make their will known, politicians transactionally offer action (legislation, hearings) for power, people choose, and politicians complete the transaction (or abrogate it) by delivering (or not).

ancianita

(42,002 posts)
19. Sure. But at first you said "all politics," leaving out the word 'democracy,' which is what I responded to.
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 03:55 PM
Monday

Are you sure? Is that how The People's transactional politics works? Maybe in theory
But right now in practice we're not in "democratic politics"...
Polls have shown an unmistakable gap between what people want and what current majority republican politics is delivering (maybe 2025 dark corporate $ lobbying, not sure).
There's lot of distracting culture war headlines that intentionally muddle the People's known will, for another.

I'm kinda surprised you'd say trump is "all politics" when he's easily perceived as psychotic, demented, and only allows cameras to get his headline grabbing narrative(s), some of it scripted, and some of it spontaneously black hearted. Unless his being a tool of chaos is the point.

Just sayin. Just thinking out loud.

Bernardo de La Paz

(58,838 posts)
20. Politics includes democracy
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 04:03 PM
Monday

Dictatorships are transactional in a very strained way because if they don't deliver toilet paper and circuses they can end up like the Ceaucescus. Further, the dictator has to transactionally manage their minions and play them off against each other and offer them inducements to take the risk of being inside the regime.

I didn't say tRump is "all politics". I said he "has politics". He is "all transactional" in his demented narcissistic way. For example, he does things that do not benefit him or maga in the here and now but are intended for his legacy.

I don't think nutLick or Bessent are there without some quid pro quo.

ancianita

(42,002 posts)
21. Okay, now that you put it that way I understand better.
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 04:09 PM
Monday

I don't think he'll have a legacy in any good sense of the word; also very fair point on your last sentence.

Thanks for your thoughts.

Bernardo de La Paz

(58,838 posts)
17. Ghost of Jobs
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 03:44 PM
Monday

Wired paywalled, but the picture is amusing. I think I see left to right: Bezos, unknown1 (Thiel?), unknown2 (recent IPO guy?), unknown3, Zuckerberg, unknown4, tRump, Tim Cook, Sam Altman, Google CEO, Muck, Howard nutLick.

Johnny2X2X

(23,436 posts)
5. I truly believe this ends in genocide
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 02:11 PM
Monday

Or at least attempted genocide. They want millions of Americans to be exterminated.

ffr

(23,246 posts)
18. agree 100%. The goundwork has been laid. The only thing left is to slow-roll it to that extreme.
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 03:47 PM
Monday

I sure hope at some point the people who elected these genocidal tendency politicians will agree that genocide was not what they voted for. But I fear that so long as Fox News makes them feel good about how good dear leader's genocide will be for the country, that won't happen.

1WorldHope

(1,652 posts)
10. In the streets people! Oct. 18 No Kings protest, wherever you are, find a way to show up. That's my piece from now on.
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 03:10 PM
Monday

mvd

(65,732 posts)
13. Feeling's mutual but Presidents should not be this way
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 03:18 PM
Monday

He’s so narcissistic he has to have things his way and to him everything against him is bad. It is why our democracy is in trouble.

Grins

(8,901 posts)
24. Hate, you say? Here's a pretty nifty quote!
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 04:47 PM
Monday
“Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me - and I welcome their hatred.” - Franklin Roosevelt, 1936.


The gilded-age ‘Brahmins’ at the time considered the Roosevelt family “one of their own.” When he helped those on the bottom part of the scale they turned on him!! Could not, WOULD NOT, even say his name! He became “that man in the White House.”

Much like today’s Republicans who referred to Obama in that same way!
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