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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNo modern president has ever postured against their political opponents with this much open hatred
Trump on Kirk and Democrats:
He did not hate his opponents. He wanted the best for them. That's where I disagreed with Charlie.
I hate my opponent and I don't want the best for them. I'm sorry
Acyn (@Acyn) September 21, 2025
True leadership will not be measured by the ability to muzzle dissent, or to intimidate and harass political opponents at home.
- Barack Obama
Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear." [Special Message to the Congress on the Internal Security of the United States, August 8, 1950]
― Harry S. Truman
While we may disagree, we are not enemies. Were neighbors, were friends, co-workers, citizens, and most importantly, we are fellow Americans. We must stand together."
― Joe Biden
Hes been weaponizing government against his political opponents like a Third World political tyrant, Trump said to a crowd in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. Biden and his radical left allies like to pose as standing up as allies of democracy, Trump continued, arguing: Joe Biden is not the defender of American democracy, Joe Biden is the destroyer of American democracy.
Ammar Moussa, a Biden campaign spokesman, responded: Donald Trumps America in 2025 is one where the government is his personal weapon to lock up his political enemies. You dont have to take our word for it Trump has admitted it himself.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-democracy-election-2024-f2f824f056ae9f81f4e688fe590f41b4


bucolic_frolic
(52,495 posts)The anger is spilling over to the public. I heard epithets muttered at an office worker explaining policy, drivers are leaning on the horn at the slightest infraction. It's YOU who should get out of their way, not them who should avoid you.
Walleye
(42,630 posts)Walleye
(42,630 posts)Im sure he couldnt even understand the concept. Here in Delaware you cant hate your opponent because your kid will be coached by him in basketball or something. Its just a big small town. I really wish everyone would start thinking of people as their neighbors.
leftstreet
(37,377 posts)No ideology, no political theory
He's a man-baby narcissist who considers anyone who criticizes him an "enemy," be it a world leader, podcaster, or news host
This shitty rhetoric of his will go away when he does. Serious pols won't attempt this again
DURec
Bernardo de La Paz
(58,838 posts)Plus I think it would be a mistake to think Vance, Thiel, Project 2025, and Miller will just quietly fade away.
leftstreet
(37,377 posts)The Vances and Thiels will try, sure. But their fascist agenda will have to be hidden again, behind dogwhistling, etc
Trump was the outsider "smart businessman" going to DC to drain the swamp and stop that librul wokey business - that's why they gave him so much latitude on his character and behavior.
They'll need a generation or two before they can launch a new "regular guy" Trump
ancianita
(42,002 posts)Absolutely agree about the Vance, Thiel, Miller, and 2025 stuff not going away.
Still, some in the Valley are torn between their future wealth and how they've benefited from democracy.
Some thoughts from Valley people themselves ...
https://www.wired.com/story/silicon-valley-politics-shift/
I'm betting on their coming to their senses by the next two election cycles....
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=3523946
Bernardo de La Paz
(58,838 posts)The people make their will known, politicians transactionally offer action (legislation, hearings) for power, people choose, and politicians complete the transaction (or abrogate it) by delivering (or not).
ancianita
(42,002 posts)Are you sure? Is that how The People's transactional politics works? Maybe in theory
But right now in practice we're not in "democratic politics"...
Polls have shown an unmistakable gap between what people want and what current majority republican politics is delivering (maybe 2025 dark corporate $ lobbying, not sure).
There's lot of distracting culture war headlines that intentionally muddle the People's known will, for another.
I'm kinda surprised you'd say trump is "all politics" when he's easily perceived as psychotic, demented, and only allows cameras to get his headline grabbing narrative(s), some of it scripted, and some of it spontaneously black hearted. Unless his being a tool of chaos is the point.
Just sayin. Just thinking out loud.
Bernardo de La Paz
(58,838 posts)Dictatorships are transactional in a very strained way because if they don't deliver toilet paper and circuses they can end up like the Ceaucescus. Further, the dictator has to transactionally manage their minions and play them off against each other and offer them inducements to take the risk of being inside the regime.
I didn't say tRump is "all politics". I said he "has politics". He is "all transactional" in his demented narcissistic way. For example, he does things that do not benefit him or maga in the here and now but are intended for his legacy.
I don't think nutLick or Bessent are there without some quid pro quo.
ancianita
(42,002 posts)I don't think he'll have a legacy in any good sense of the word; also very fair point on your last sentence.
Thanks for your thoughts.
Bernardo de La Paz
(58,838 posts)Wired paywalled, but the picture is amusing. I think I see left to right: Bezos, unknown1 (Thiel?), unknown2 (recent IPO guy?), unknown3, Zuckerberg, unknown4, tRump, Tim Cook, Sam Altman, Google CEO, Muck, Howard nutLick.
ancianita
(42,002 posts)Johnny2X2X
(23,436 posts)Or at least attempted genocide. They want millions of Americans to be exterminated.
ffr
(23,246 posts)I sure hope at some point the people who elected these genocidal tendency politicians will agree that genocide was not what they voted for. But I fear that so long as Fox News makes them feel good about how good dear leader's genocide will be for the country, that won't happen.
greatauntoftriplets
(178,307 posts)No way in hell is he "sorry" for his hatred.
allegorical oracle
(5,750 posts)Emit
(11,238 posts)1WorldHope
(1,652 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(58,838 posts)mvd
(65,732 posts)Hes so narcissistic he has to have things his way and to him everything against him is bad. It is why our democracy is in trouble.
Denvermosaic
(152 posts)spike jones
(1,965 posts)Grins
(8,901 posts)The gilded-age Brahmins at the time considered the Roosevelt family one of their own. When he helped those on the bottom part of the scale they turned on him!! Could not, WOULD NOT, even say his name! He became that man in the White House.
Much like todays Republicans who referred to Obama in that same way!