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lostincalifornia

(4,543 posts)
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 07:04 AM Monday

Winner of mRNA Nobel Prize says ACIP member's claim that Covid vaccines persist is "absolutely impossible

"On Thursday and Friday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention held a meeting of its Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, a key panel that gives the CDC’s director guidance about what vaccines to recommend to the public.

The panel, in the end, postponed its most controversial vote and made recommendations that seemed aimed at fostering doubts about the Covid-19 vaccines while still keeping them widely available. But some presenters and panelists raised concerns that the mRNA Covid vaccines – the ones made by Moderna and Pfizer/BioNTech – may have unconfirmed safety issues.

In particular, Retsef Levi, who chairs ACIP’s working group on Covid vaccines, raised concerns that mRNA, the lipid nanoparticles they are encapsulated in, and the spike protein the vaccines produce may all persist and be widely distributed in the body. He also said they may provoke an immune response that is not understood and could even change the way the body reads its own genetic material. Moderna and Pfizer said that the claims were refuted by well-done studies that met global regulatory standards."

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"What these people do, is that they search, they find one paper or two papers that make an outlandish claim based on bad data that hundreds or thousands or tens of thousands of other papers refute, they don’t mention everything that refutes it. They only mention, oh, look, I found a paper that says spike is around for nine months! It’s just not true."

https://www.statnews.com/2025/09/20/drew-weissman-nobel-prize-mrna-covid-vaccines-rebuts-retsef-levi-claims/

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Winner of mRNA Nobel Prize says ACIP member's claim that Covid vaccines persist is "absolutely impossible (Original Post) lostincalifornia Monday OP
You can't cite scientific facts to these morons. Gimpyknee Monday #1
weary poozwah Monday #3
+1. They are willfully ignorant and proud of it. dalton99a Monday #15
Message auto-removed Name removed Monday #23
As Trump has said publicly popsdenver Monday #24
Ironically, it's the COVID virus itself that "provokes an immune response that is not understood." yardwork Monday #2
Yes! That has always been so aggravating that these morons couldn't understand or didn't want to understand LymphocyteLover Monday #5
Also aggravating was so many thinking that we could go through a global pandemic killing travelingthrulife Monday #18
Post removed Post removed Monday #6
what flavour pizza ? niyad Monday #7
I missed it! Did she mention me by name? yardwork Monday #20
No, she was doing her insane anti-covid vaccine rant. niyad Monday #21
Damn. I prefer the off-base personal attacks. yardwork Monday #25
Well, she did start off with "you're stupid", directed to the OP. niyad Monday #30
First post, huh? flvegan Monday #8
one of our resident trolls, no doubt. niyad Monday #11
No doubt BumRushDaShow Monday #13
But of course. Are we taking bets on how many times she shows up today? niyad Monday #16
First time today BumRushDaShow Monday #17
Goodness, I missed all of them! niyad Monday #19
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Apparently she came back, judging by the twe removals further downthread. niyad Monday #29
That was her 5th appearance today BumRushDaShow Monday #31
Geeeee, and I missed her. Wonder if I hurt her widdle fee fees? niyad Monday #32
That would have definitely been needed! BumRushDaShow Monday #34
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yawnnnnn. right on schedule niyad Monday #9
Bye Bye 👋 Celerity Monday #10
Exactly Rebl2 Monday #33
this administration uses the opposite of science for what they do. They have a pre-determined LymphocyteLover Monday #4
K&R UTUSN Monday #12
Kick dalton99a Monday #14
Unfortunately, markodochartaigh Monday #26
Who you gonna listen to? The Nobel Prize guy or the guy who picks up a dead bear and dumps it in Central Park? Midnight Writer Monday #27

poozwah

(359 posts)
3. weary
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 07:58 AM
Monday

in spite of all the evidence showing the effectiveness of vaccines, they persist in supporting these theories which hinder the efforts of legitimate scientists. science, not sighence.

Response to dalton99a (Reply #15)

popsdenver

(533 posts)
24. As Trump has said publicly
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 01:00 PM
Monday

time and time again................."I LOVE THE UN-EDUCATED VOTERS"

yardwork

(68,145 posts)
2. Ironically, it's the COVID virus itself that "provokes an immune response that is not understood."
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 07:53 AM
Monday

These people are beyond stupid. They are criminally stupid. They have a profit motive.

LymphocyteLover

(8,804 posts)
5. Yes! That has always been so aggravating that these morons couldn't understand or didn't want to understand
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 07:59 AM
Monday

that the virus infection was ALWAYS WAY worse than the vaccination.

travelingthrulife

(3,355 posts)
18. Also aggravating was so many thinking that we could go through a global pandemic killing
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 09:16 AM
Monday

millions without any impact to our economy and personal lives.

Response to yardwork (Reply #2)

BumRushDaShow

(160,747 posts)
17. First time today
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 09:13 AM
Monday

and twice yesterday, but 5 times the day before. It's a New Moon, so that impacts it too.

Response to niyad (Reply #19)

niyad

(127,525 posts)
32. Geeeee, and I missed her. Wonder if I hurt her widdle fee fees?
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 06:22 PM
Monday

Seems fitting that I was actually out shopping for pest removal items!

Response to flvegan (Reply #8)

LymphocyteLover

(8,804 posts)
4. this administration uses the opposite of science for what they do. They have a pre-determined
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 07:58 AM
Monday

conclusion and use any data possible even made up, to support it, while throwing out contradictory data.

markodochartaigh

(4,161 posts)
26. Unfortunately,
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 04:36 PM
Monday

another way that the covid vaccines don't persist is in public availability. Here in Florida they were briefly available at CVS last week. By the time that I found out and tried to get an appointment they were pulled due to the state's regulations. Now neither Publix, CVS, nor Walgreens know when or if they will have them again.

Midnight Writer

(24,774 posts)
27. Who you gonna listen to? The Nobel Prize guy or the guy who picks up a dead bear and dumps it in Central Park?
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 05:01 PM
Monday

If you are MAGA, you have to go with the dead bear guy or risk excommunication or worse.

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