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Swede

(37,411 posts)
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 02:20 PM Sep 20

Trump just threatened Venezuela with something, possibly war.

He's really trying to scotch his Nobel peace prize.

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Trump just threatened Venezuela with something, possibly war. (Original Post) Swede Sep 20 OP
Psychopath, and stupid. enough Sep 20 #1
Wonder how many of the seventy MILLION are paying attention to what's going Eliot Rosewater Sep 20 #4
perhaps they still think there is no difference between the two parties RussBLib Sep 20 #35
His dementia is really making him increasingly more dangerous. nt Trueblue Texan Sep 20 #24
What is he not getting from Venezuela? kimbutgar Sep 20 #2
Their oil. mwmisses4289 Sep 20 #8
Venezuela has the largest proven crude oil reserves in the world, with approximately 303 billion barrels. Irish_Dem Sep 20 #16
Not to mention Koch Industries House of Roberts Sep 20 #26
Oh yes. Trump had to be coached on this caper. He doesn't even know where Venezuela is located. Irish_Dem Sep 20 #36
You're right he couldn't find it on a map. kimbutgar Sep 21 #42
Their fealty and US client-state status. AloeVera Sep 20 #29
Adoration progressoid Sep 21 #41
The Epstein files must be horrific! Newark65 Sep 20 #3
Crazy old man! Jim__ Sep 20 #5
Grenada 2.0...t-rump is such a loudmouthed puzzy dunce... wcmagumba Sep 20 #6
So much for Trump being an Isolationist, Coldwater Sep 20 #7
How is this not an International crime? Calling The Hague. aeromanKC Sep 20 #9
Truly wacko. Next up, Ethiopia. usonian Sep 20 #10
should be worth noting that the Biden admin also had a policy of denouncing the Maduro regime bigtree Sep 20 #11
Question for Trump : How did Venezuelan mental patients transport themselves to the US? surfered Sep 20 #12
Jewish space lasers. Amaryllis Sep 20 #13
Stay tuned... B.See Sep 20 #14
Hey Nicols Maduro, Miami Blue Sep 20 #15
Will his taco war last as long as his taco tariffs? nt ImNotGod Sep 20 #17
So Dump is ordering them to accept him? StarryNite Sep 20 #18
Yes! It's going to cost your oil reserves. flashman13 Sep 20 #19
He's aching for a perfectly pressed camouflage uniform with gold braid and rows of medals. Ping Tung Sep 20 #20
And under no circumstances bring up EPSTEIN. Buddyzbuddy Sep 20 #21
Lest we forget--Epstein, Donald. Timeflyer Sep 20 #25
So, Congress has ceded its power to declare war to him. Doubtlessly. UTUSN Sep 20 #22
Trump typed a word with 12 letters perfectly guys IcyPeas Sep 20 #23
Trump would find a way to lose a war against Venezuela. Gimpyknee Sep 20 #27
The Mouse That Roared. Wednesdays Sep 20 #37
He still has no clue what political asylum means Wiz Imp Sep 20 #28
I know everything he says is a lie, but are there ANY facts that would indicate Venezuala sent ANYONE here ToxMarz Sep 20 #30
Sounds like a "wag the dog" scenario to me. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 20 #31
Is there an app.... carpetbagger Sep 20 #32
The day before Trump left office in his first term, Mblaze Sep 20 #33
Trump is going for the hardline on drugs popularity Mblaze Sep 20 #34
Venezuela is about the oil and the current potential for World War. PufPuf23 Sep 20 #38
They only came here because of the sanctions. Xolodno Sep 20 #39
He's totally out of his fucking mind. spanone Sep 20 #40

Eliot Rosewater

(34,173 posts)
4. Wonder how many of the seventy MILLION are paying attention to what's going
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 02:25 PM
Sep 20

That 70 million that didn’t bother to vote.

RussBLib

(10,209 posts)
35. perhaps they still think there is no difference between the two parties
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 05:56 PM
Sep 20

And they still won't be affected anyway. Yeah, sure.

I mean, if you chose not to vote because you thought it was pointless and stupid, our educational system, even our culture, has failed badly.

https://russblib.blogspot.com

Irish_Dem

(75,395 posts)
16. Venezuela has the largest proven crude oil reserves in the world, with approximately 303 billion barrels.
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 03:31 PM
Sep 20

Bigger than anyone else, including Saudi.

Trump would love to invade and capture the oil.

House of Roberts

(6,253 posts)
26. Not to mention Koch Industries
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 04:24 PM
Sep 20

has an underutilized refinery in Texas that would love to get high sulfur crude from Venezuela.

Irish_Dem

(75,395 posts)
36. Oh yes. Trump had to be coached on this caper. He doesn't even know where Venezuela is located.
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 06:05 PM
Sep 20

What natural resources it has, etc.

Someone has set this up for Trump.

kimbutgar

(26,136 posts)
42. You're right he couldn't find it on a map.
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 02:01 PM
Sep 21

I was in Caracas on a cruise in 1985. It was so beautiful but now I couldn’t ever imagine going there since the 🍑💩 is threatening to go to war against them !

AloeVera

(3,767 posts)
29. Their fealty and US client-state status.
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 04:28 PM
Sep 20

And of course their large oil reserves. The largest in the world.

Coldwater

(225 posts)
7. So much for Trump being an Isolationist,
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 02:36 PM
Sep 20

In the 8 months since taking office trump has threatened military action against Panama, Canada, Denmark in order to seize Greenland, bombed Yemen several times, deployed B-2 bombers to Guam, nearly started a war with Iran, and sunk 3 boats allegedly carrying drugs in international waters, and is now threatening all-out-war.

bigtree

(92,666 posts)
11. should be worth noting that the Biden admin also had a policy of denouncing the Maduro regime
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 02:44 PM
Sep 20

...but Trump is just trying to bait them into provoking the ships he sent into the region to give him pretext to attack them.

Too bad for him that his own intel agencies declined to cite any tie between Maduro and any narco terrorist gang.


Biden was using soft power: (which I support)

Secret deal: Biden offered normal relations with Venezuela if Maduro agreed to elections

The Biden administration had agreed to lift sanctions on Venezuela and promised the return of normal relations if the opposition could participate in competitive presidential elections, according to a deal secretly signed in Qatar last year that leader Nicolas Maduro made public on social media.

Maduro published the document Thursday, shortly before Secretary of State Antony Blinken declared that opposition candidate Edmundo Gonzalez won the Venezuelan presidential elections Sunday, citing the vote tallies presented by the opposition. The government-controlled electoral council said Maduro won, providing what were widely seen as fraudulent numbers.

The Qatar document shows the Biden administration struck a deal with Maduro to lift sanctions on the country’s oil, banking and gold sectors if he committed to elections and allow the opposition to compete. And it added a significant incentive to Maduro: the lifting of most sanctions after the winner took office.

At that point, the U.S. government would restore full diplomatic relations and dismantle the sanctions regime against the country, the document says. This would include unblocking all Venezuelan government assets in the United States and lifting sanctions, including individual ones imposed under an executive order.

Early on, Biden’s team turned the page from the Trump administration’s “maximum pressure” campaign policy and signaled it was willing to lift sanctions if Maduro allowed “free and fair elections.” In 2022, after intense lobbying, it authorized Chevron to expand its oil operations in the projects the company already had in Venezuela.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/venezuela/article290702924.html

__In January 2025, The Biden administration announced a slew of new sanctions against allies of Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro in opposition to his claim of election victory, calling his Friday inauguration “illegitimate” and a “desperate attempt to seize power.”

The U.S. is increasing its rewards for justice to $25 million for information leading to Maduro’s arrest or conviction and that of his minister of interior, Diosdado Cabello.

A $15 million reward is also being offered related to Defense Minister Vladimir Padrino López, part of criminal narco trafficking indictments announced in March 2020.

The U.S. is also sanctioning eight Venezuelan officials leading key economic and security agencies; blacklisting high-level military and police officials involved in repression and human rights abuses against democratic actors; and imposing visa restrictions on “Maduro-aligned individuals” identified as undermining the electoral process or acts of repression in Venezuela.

“The Venezuelan people and world know the truth — Maduro clearly lost the 2024 presidential election and has no right to claim the presidency,” U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said in a statement.

https://thehill.com/policy/international/5079514-biden-venezuela-sanctions-maduro-inauguration-trump-dhs-tps/

Miami Blue

(340 posts)
15. Hey Nicols Maduro,
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 03:23 PM
Sep 20

We Americans are tired of the constant insanity
of PsychoTraitorTrump. So we want you to please immediately accept him into a Venezuelan insane asylum. Por favor 🙏🏻.
This psycho so-called POTUS is actually a very mentally ill little man who keeps putting America the Beautiful in many different fateful situations
all the time / 24/7.
Unquestionably, his cognitive deterioration is
now more noticeable than ever before.
Sin duda, el está extremadamente loco. 🤪

Ping Tung

(3,724 posts)
20. He's aching for a perfectly pressed camouflage uniform with gold braid and rows of medals.
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 04:01 PM
Sep 20

And a warehouse full of American flags (Made In China) to bury the cannon-fodder in.

Timeflyer

(3,441 posts)
25. Lest we forget--Epstein, Donald.
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 04:21 PM
Sep 20

He would start a war against a sovereign nation, in our name and with our tax-dollars, to distract from EPSTEIN.

Wiz Imp

(7,519 posts)
28. He still has no clue what political asylum means
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 04:25 PM
Sep 20

I would have thought at least one of his sycophants would have been able to explain it to him by now.

Of course his claim is false. From Google AI:

Fact-checkers and news organizations have found no evidence that Venezuelans are entering the United States after being released from insane asylums. Multiple reports have debunked claims circulating on social media and made by political figures suggesting that South American countries are deliberately sending institutionalized people across the U.S. border.

Key facts about migration and mental health:

Fabricated claims: Allegations of foreign governments emptying prisons and mental health facilities into the U.S. are unsubstantiated. When asked for evidence, supporters of these claims have failed to provide any.

ToxMarz

(2,567 posts)
30. I know everything he says is a lie, but are there ANY facts that would indicate Venezuala sent ANYONE here
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 04:32 PM
Sep 20

They came on their own to escape the problems there, what Trump keeps alluding to is reminiscent of the Mariel Boatlift in the 70's or 80's. I've heard that Castro used that to empty his own prisons and asylums (but I don't know if that is any more true than Trumps allegations).

carpetbagger

(5,371 posts)
32. Is there an app....
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 05:08 PM
Sep 20

That will turn this crazy shit into an Eric Cartman rant? Because that's what I'm hearing in my head.

Mblaze

(781 posts)
33. The day before Trump left office in his first term,
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 05:29 PM
Sep 20

He made an Executive Order to stop the deportation of Venezuelan immigrants for 18 months.

Laken Riley was killed by a Venezuelan immigrant and MAGA has been blaming Joe Biden. I'll bet you none of them know about Trump's Executive Order.....

Because media never mentions it. Not even now when Trump is threatening Venezuela and deporting Venezuelans as fast as he can.

The media does America a major disservice by never mentioning Trump's out-of-the-blue Executive Order. Now seems like a great time to discuss it.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-orders-18-month-halt-removal-venezuelans-us-2021-01-20/

Mblaze

(781 posts)
34. Trump is going for the hardline on drugs popularity
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 05:34 PM
Sep 20

That Duterte enjoyed in the Philippines. Duterte was arrested by the ICC because of his thousands of extrajudicial killings under the auspices of a war on drugs but he had solid support for years in the Philippines.

I'm afraid it might work in America as well. Especially with Right Wing Media punching up the problem daily. 🤬

PufPuf23

(9,603 posts)
38. Venezuela is about the oil and the current potential for World War.
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 07:02 PM
Sep 20

Venezuela has been demonized since Chavez who:

1) Was a non-white / non-colonial leader of Venezuala

2) Nationalized the oil industry.

In WWII, the two biggest refineries serving the allies in Europe were located on nearby Aruba and Curaçao, Lago Colony and Royal Dutch Shell oil, producing a majority of the oil used by the European allies

Lago Colony was owned by Standard Oil, then the largest oil company in the world. In late 1930s about 40% of crude processed by Standard Oil in total was from the Maracaibo Basin. It was a major source of gasoline and shipped to Germany before WWII. Germany attacked Lago Colony in WWII and failed.

Royal Dutch Oil had similarly provided fuel to Japan and WWII embargoed Japan in the Pacific then lost its oil holding in the Dutch East Indies to Japan.

During the PNAC days, the USA put FOL (military lily pads) on Aruba and Curaçao for drug interdiction and with room for staging war. Other FOLs were established in Ecuador, Paraguay, Honduras and ? (note I am typing from an aging and decayed brain).

Recall The Revolution Will not be Televised https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Revolution_Will_Not_Be_Televised_(film) about the failed Chavez coup attempt in 2002. The coup attempt was followed by a western-backed national oil strike and a Venezuelan separatist movement to break off Maracaibo (western Venezuela)

Recall Natalee Holloway gone missing. It was likely used as a cover. There were multiple connections to the GOP in her classmates and Alabama community. An oil research vessel mapped the ocean floor between the Antilles and Venezuela looking for Natalee in a crab trap with the daily progress on Faux. The same area that was mined in WWII to protect against German U-Boats. Venezuela was also blamed (no doubt true) for harboring FARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia). There was a French mediator (can't recall the name) that met with FARC and Colombia in Ecuador. The meeting was bombed and mediators killed and subsequently the USA was told to close the FOL in Ecuador (sounds similar to Doba). Dick Cheney was on Aruba with Air Force 2 and a contingent when the FARC / Ecuador bombing occurred but that has been long disappeared from the internet. Part of the group was partying in Carlo's and Charlie's, where Natalee disappeared, when Ecudor was bombed. I am saying Natalee's misfortune was used as a cover. Aruba was formerly a Dutch holding but foreign affairs are still handled by The Netherlands. The FOL contract was with the Dutch not Arubans and many Arubans did not like the FOL as it presented a risk and some differed in POV. Have zero idea if those FOLs still exist. Infrastructure and runway improvement to handle military planes were constructed at the time 25 years ago.

If WWIII was to get real, one of the first actions would be to control western Venezuela, the richest oil patch in the western hemisphere.

Xolodno

(7,182 posts)
39. They only came here because of the sanctions.
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 08:19 PM
Sep 20

Afghanistan, Iran, etc. We have an unusual knack for creating our own problems. Often I think analysts at the CIA only see what we can gain in the short term without looking at the likely hood of the target country populace rejecting "our solution".

If a regime is that bad, then we don't have to do anything. It will take care of itself. But if it succeeds, then the power brokers in this country become fearful as its a threat to them. So they have to make sure it fails.

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