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Look at this travesty--Cardinal Timothy Dolan praises Charlie Kirk: (Original Post) tblue37 Sep 20 OP
A large part of maga hates catholics almost as much as they hate mormons. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 20 #1
Famous MAGA's are becoming Catholic womanofthehills Sunday #48
They're CINOs Katnip. Sunday #49
Me too. I'm a recovering Catholic. yourout Sunday #51
He must have been aligned with Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigan Blue Full Moon Sep 20 #2
List of some things Charlie Kirk said: tblue37 Sep 20 #3
And a partial list at that. B.See Sep 20 #18
Yep. "Black women don't have the brain capacity to do [whatever... keep_left Sep 20 #27
Pope Leo needs to call Dolan and remind him about blasphemy Chasstev365 Sep 20 #4
Exactly canetoad Sunday #47
Priests like him are why I'm an EXCatholic. Ping Tung Sep 20 #5
Child rape conspirator says what? RockRaven Sep 20 #6
May dolan receive everything he deserves. niyad Sep 20 #7
May we all get what we deserve! marble falls Sep 20 #15
Paging Pope Leo... 2naSalit Sep 20 #8
Dolan is a f***ing a**hole! returnee Sep 20 #9
He is definitely H2O Man Sep 20 #10
Not by my lights. n/t returnee Sep 20 #11
Your thoughts H2O Man Sep 20 #16
"The lower level of understanding of Jesus's message"????? cally Sep 20 #36
Do you think H2O Man Sep 20 #39
In that post, of course not cally Sep 20 #41
Okay, thanks. H2O Man Sep 20 #42
With all due respect... returnee Sep 20 #37
Thank you. H2O Man Sep 20 #40
If he isn't a Christian, what is he exactly? Mariana Sunday #46
He is a politician... returnee Sunday #50
So, is he an atheist, or a follower of some other religion? Mariana Sunday #57
Split any hairs you like. returnee Sunday #59
C'mon, Pope Rob, musette_sf Sep 20 #12
Words I want to hear from Pope Leo: You're fired! ananda Sep 20 #13
Chalkie who??? Stick him in a hole already and lets start getting tougher over more serious issues. marble falls Sep 20 #14
Cardinal Timmy is full of shit Blue Owl Sep 20 #17
He's still mad he wasn't elected Retrograde Sep 20 #21
We can boycott the Catholic Church John Farmer Sep 20 #19
"His Eminence" is telling me the Catholic Church has the same values as Charlie Kirk. Duncan Grant Sep 20 #20
Why are you surprised nazi supporting, child molesting, misogynistic, cultists are kirk lovers Augiedog Sep 20 #22
Dolan has always been a racist SocialDemocrat61 Sep 20 #23
As if the Catholic Church doesn't have enough to defend. Buddyzbuddy Sep 20 #24
I'm ashamed to be a lapsed Catholic. rickford66 Sep 20 #25
Imo... lonely bird Sep 20 #26
Um. What? SSJVegeta Sep 20 #28
Totally consistent malaise Sep 20 #29
They're desperate to attract the younger generation back to the parishes ChicagoTeamster Sep 20 #30
Er, Cardinal Dolan, I don't think Jesus likes bigotry! electric_blue68 Sep 20 #31
Is Dolan endorsing Kirk's call for the execution of Catholic Joe Biden? struggle4progress Sep 20 #32
I think the Jesus I learned about would be appalled by most of what is said... 3catwoman3 Sep 20 #33
DOLAN is a shameless "social" butterfly among the elite, moneyed, scoundrels. UTUSN Sep 20 #34
Sickening! I still thought the Catholic Church was better than this. thought crime Sep 20 #35
Catholics should complain to the Pope. roamer65 Sep 20 #38
From those wonderful people who brought you Mme. Defarge Sunday #43
Was C.K. into children? just askin... n/t Jacson6 Sunday #44
The Pope needs to fire that guy. nt iemanja Sunday #45
Which is why I've ignored the Catholic church for 50+ years Ritabert Sunday #52
Its cool to be public racists again. None of this should be surprising. A good portion of this country is racist, and tulipsandroses Sunday #53
Dolan is a joke. johnnyfins Sunday #54
Dolan should have been excommunicated from the Catholic Church long ago. Wiz Imp Sunday #55
He's getting out in front of the coming union of church and state underpants Sunday #56
and they wonder why people are losing their religion. Emile Sunday #58
I haven't turned on any of that crap today ecstatic Sunday #60

womanofthehills

(10,405 posts)
48. Famous MAGA's are becoming Catholic
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 02:13 AM
Sunday

Candace Owens, JD Vance, Marco Rubio, Susan Collin’s, Tom Cotton Ben Sasse etc etc

Lots of Republicans Catholics in Congress.

Katnip.

(28 posts)
49. They're CINOs
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 02:22 AM
Sunday
Catholic In Name Only.

I no longer practice but much of what they have done and what they espouse runs contrary to the tenets of Catholicism.

yourout

(8,597 posts)
51. Me too. I'm a recovering Catholic.
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 01:09 PM
Sunday

I'm atheist / agnostic but occasionally go with my wife to her Lutheran Church which is the progressive brand of Lutheran and much closer to what I think a Christian should be.

keep_left

(3,075 posts)
27. Yep. "Black women don't have the brain capacity to do [whatever...
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 03:42 PM
Sep 20

...strawman argument Kirk was making that day], "women hit 'the wall' after 30", ...it goes on and on. Charlie Kirk is the gift that keeps on giving.

Chasstev365

(6,331 posts)
4. Pope Leo needs to call Dolan and remind him about blasphemy
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 01:02 PM
Sep 20

Maybe Dolan is on the Epstein list.

Ping Tung

(3,724 posts)
5. Priests like him are why I'm an EXCatholic.
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 01:05 PM
Sep 20
Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man. Thomas Paine

returnee

(677 posts)
9. Dolan is a f***ing a**hole!
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 01:29 PM
Sep 20

And he is not a Christian.
The Pope should remove him or at least publicly chastise him and rein him in.

H2O Man

(77,979 posts)
10. He is definitely
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 01:32 PM
Sep 20

a flaming asshole. Always has been, always will be. But he is, in fact, a christian.

H2O Man

(77,979 posts)
16. Your thoughts
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 02:18 PM
Sep 20

do not change the fact that Dolan is, by definition, a christian. One of the greatest weaknesses of christianity is that there are thoser who are convinced they can determine who is not a christian. This is always found exclusively at the lower levels of understanding of Jesus's message.

cally

(21,794 posts)
36. "The lower level of understanding of Jesus's message"?????
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 04:39 PM
Sep 20

What exactly did Jesus say about being a Christian, calling himself the messiah, or any of the other major tenets of Christianity? I follow Jesus not many modern denominations that claim to have the truth

H2O Man

(77,979 posts)
39. Do you think
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 06:51 PM
Sep 20

that you have listed everything attributed to Jesus -- which would be his message?

cally

(21,794 posts)
41. In that post, of course not
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 07:09 PM
Sep 20

Many biblical scholars have written books about it and it is a field that constantly has new insights. I no more speak for Jesus as anyone else but I do try to respect new insights and knowledge.

H2O Man

(77,979 posts)
42. Okay, thanks.
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 07:34 PM
Sep 20

I was wondering why you asked that. I find the prophet Jesus to be fascinating. I was hoping you weren't going to bring up the community college first semester debate if he existed, or was merely a story authored bu some Greeks. While the gospels tell of some of the things Jesus said, I think it is possible that the Q (andX) source(s) that some scholars think there is evidence of being used in authoring a gospel or two.

Mariana

(15,599 posts)
46. If he isn't a Christian, what is he exactly?
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 01:05 AM
Sunday

Do you think he is an atheist? Is a secretly a follower of some other religion?

Mariana

(15,599 posts)
57. So, is he an atheist, or a follower of some other religion?
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 03:50 PM
Sunday

If he's not a Christian, he really has to be one or another of those.

returnee

(677 posts)
59. Split any hairs you like.
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 05:19 PM
Sunday

I stand by my statement. I will not be boxed into another by mechanical logic. But if we must, try this logic. No one who is a politician who is only interested in power is a Christian. I’ll leave you to figure out what else he is.

marble falls

(68,732 posts)
14. Chalkie who??? Stick him in a hole already and lets start getting tougher over more serious issues.
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 01:59 PM
Sep 20

John Farmer

(347 posts)
19. We can boycott the Catholic Church
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 02:37 PM
Sep 20

It's possible to mourn someone's death without endorsing their life's work.

Duncan Grant

(8,824 posts)
20. "His Eminence" is telling me the Catholic Church has the same values as Charlie Kirk.
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 02:58 PM
Sep 20

I’m having trouble reconciling this selective morality PR campaign with Christ’s ministry. It’s not a good use of my time.

Augiedog

(2,648 posts)
22. Why are you surprised nazi supporting, child molesting, misogynistic, cultists are kirk lovers
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 03:24 PM
Sep 20

Buddyzbuddy

(1,558 posts)
24. As if the Catholic Church doesn't have enough to defend.
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 03:30 PM
Sep 20

Reason 432 as to why I'm no longer Catholic. Guy's like this that proved to me it's all a big lie. Keep talking Dolan, you're doing a great job of chasing people away from religion.

ChicagoTeamster

(27 posts)
30. They're desperate to attract the younger generation back to the parishes
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 03:53 PM
Sep 20

The Catholics and Lutherans have been consolidating parishes due to shrinking congregations. They have to have seen his podcasts and know what he preached. The few parishes still operating have closed their schools as well. The Catholics probably want that private school voucher money.

struggle4progress

(124,646 posts)
32. Is Dolan endorsing Kirk's call for the execution of Catholic Joe Biden?
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 04:01 PM
Sep 20

Is Dolan endorsing Kirk's view that American gun violence is a worthwhile trade off for the benefits of the Second Amendment?

Is Dolan endorsing Kirk's idea that black women aren't intellifent enough to be taken seriously?

3catwoman3

(27,787 posts)
33. I think the Jesus I learned about would be appalled by most of what is said...
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 04:05 PM
Sep 20

...and done by so many who claim to be his followers.

(Contentedly questioning agnostic here.)

thought crime

(810 posts)
35. Sickening! I still thought the Catholic Church was better than this.
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 04:08 PM
Sep 20

"The truth shall set you free"? Among many other things Charlie Kirk spread false information about voter fraud, the 2020 election, and COVID. He lied intentionally.

This guy makes a mockery of the Catholic Church.

tulipsandroses

(7,963 posts)
53. Its cool to be public racists again. None of this should be surprising. A good portion of this country is racist, and
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 01:28 PM
Sunday

bigoted. Period.
Its time that we acknowledge that and stop with the " This is not who we are bullshit".

Wiz Imp

(7,516 posts)
55. Dolan should have been excommunicated from the Catholic Church long ago.
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 01:59 PM
Sunday

Just some of his offenses:

-As Archbishop of Milwaukee, Dolan authorized a settlement in which the archdiocese offered priests who had abused children up to $20,000 to leave the priesthood, along with continued healthcare coverage. This payout was criticized by victims' advocates as a "bonus" to pedophiles that allowed them to leave quietly.

-In 2007, Dolan requested and received permission from the Vatican to move $57 million into a cemetery trust fund, which legal experts interpreted as an attempt to shield assets from sexual abuse lawsuits. Dolan denied this claim, calling it "malarkey," but his letter to the Vatican noted that the move would provide "an improved protection of these funds from any legal claim and liability".

-In 2019, Dolan was accused of providing "safe harbor" to Monsignor John Paddack, a New York priest with multiple child sexual abuse allegations against him. Despite repeated allegations from survivors and a public campaign by lawyers, Paddack was not included on the public list of "credibly accused" clergy that Dolan released that year. Dolan eventually removed Paddack from active ministry under increasing pressure but is alleged to have kept him in his rectory.

- A survivor, Chris O'Leary, has alleged that Dolan knew of and ignored abuse perpetrated by priest LeRoy Valentine in the late 1970s, when they both served at a church in St. Louis. O'Leary also claims that in 2002, Dolan lied to him and gaslit him to protect the church.

-Dolan resisted releasing a comprehensive list of accused priests for many years, arguing that the names were already "out there". He ultimately released a list of 120 names in 2019, but most of those named were deceased.

-As Archbishop of New York, Dolan has initiated a lawsuit against Chubb, an insurance company, accusing them of refusing to cover sex abuse claims. The archdiocese claimed this was a fraudulent business practice aimed at protecting the insurer's bottom line and delaying payments to victims. Critics, however, have dismissed the legal action as another financial tactic to avoid accountability.

-Leaked 2017 audio obtained by ABC News in 2021 revealed that a lawyer hired by Dolan discussed with other bishops how the church's independent compensation program could be used to persuade legislators not to pass the Child Victims Act, which would suspend the statute of limitations for old abuse cases.

-In 2020, the Vatican ordered Dolan to investigate sexual abuse allegations against Brooklyn Bishop Nicholas DiMarzio. Dolan eventually announced that the Vatican had exonerated DiMarzio, a result that victims' advocates heavily criticized due to the church's self-investigatory process.

underpants

(193,234 posts)
56. He's getting out in front of the coming union of church and state
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 02:03 PM
Sunday

Kegsbreath’s subservient women not voting preacher and the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) that combines elements of Pentecostalism, evangelicalism, and the Seven Mountain Mandate as well as the regular Evangelical thumpers obviously have the upper hand to start with.

It’s basically an unhooded Klan and Catholics were as despised as non-white male people. Pssst (looks around) don’t tell the Jews.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Apostolic_Reformation

ecstatic

(34,940 posts)
60. I haven't turned on any of that crap today
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 05:42 PM
Sunday

It's disappointing to me that all the networks fell in line behind this guy. They never gave a shit about him before (most people had no idea who he was before he was killed) but now he's flooding the airwaves.

Is it that the network execs don't know what he stood for? I guess it's possible that they don't know since anyone who discusses it is quickly fired and silenced.

Apparently, bigotry is perfectly okay as long as you're "nice" about it.

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