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usonian

(20,867 posts) Sat Sep 20, 2025, 12:07 PM Sep 20

FBI to Categorize Trans People (not EPSTEIN) As "Nihilistic Violent Extremist" Threat Group, Report Says (see caveat)

Caveat: sources are "anonymous" so treat with skepticism.
I'll delete if this is erroneous.
The FBI has already created an NVE (Nihilistic Violent Extremist) designation, that is very broad.
(and could be applied to much of the administration, of course)
Double posting the image because the first renders on some devices and not others. D'oh.

Applying this to trans people seems a short step (for them)
Counter-argument below:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20660005

https://www.them.us/story/trump-admin-fbi-trans-nihilistic-violent-extremists-terrorist

Sources Ken Klipperstein and anonymous national security officials.

The choice is being championed by the Heritage Foundation, which is behind Project 2025.
By Abby Monteil
September 19, 2025

The Federal Bureau of Investigation is reportedly preparing to categorize transgender people as “violent extremists,” a categorization supported by organizations affiliated with Project 2025.

According to a September 18 report by independent journalist Ken Klippenstein, two anonymous national security officials said that the Bureau is discussing treating trans subjects as a subset of its new threat category, “Nihilistic Violent Extremists” (NVEs), which was created earlier this year. The Bureau defines “Nihilistic Violent Extremism” as “criminal conduct… in furtherance of political, social, or religious goals that derive primarily from a hatred of society at large and a desire to bring about its collapse by sowing indiscriminate chaos.”

Note: Every Accusation is a Confession.

Officials said that such a classification would give the Trump administration “political (and media) cover” as they escalate their anti-trans campaign in the aftermath of right-wing pundit Charlie Kirk’s death.

“They are cynically targeting trans people because the shooter’s lover was trans,” an unnamed senior intelligence official told Klippenstein. “The administration has convinced itself that the Charlie Kirk murder exposes some dark conspiracy.”

The conspiracy is to keep EPSTEIN out of the news cycle.

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FBI to Categorize Trans People (not EPSTEIN) As "Nihilistic Violent Extremist" Threat Group, Report Says (see caveat) (Original Post) usonian Sep 20 OP

These fucking psychopaths really want to kill trans people. WTF. Initech Sep 20 #1

this is a stretch. and, frankly - one where I'd have to see a lot more than stopdiggin Sep 20 #2

I'll add a caveat. I acknowledged the sources. usonian Sep 20 #3

trying to categorize the trans (or LGBTQ) community broadly as NVEs stopdiggin Sep 20 #6

Torn. usonian Sep 20 #8

Your image link seems to be broken. TommyT139 Monday #9

I'll find the image and repost. usonian Monday #10

FWIW, here's a video that discusses it at some length. Not sure how good the sources are but worth watching IMO. Crunchy Frog Monday #12

"trans activism" - - - Hmmm. Still having trouble actually seeing .... stopdiggin Monday #14

The whole trans bashing it really vile and unnecessary. However, Ken Klipperstein is either lying or too lazy Silent Type Sep 20 #4

The Them.us article addressed the CK shooter misinfo TommyT139 Monday #13

America is changing fast bluestarone Sep 20 #5

First they came for the communists....fill in next victims here. Ping Tung Sep 20 #7

They were targeting trans people before they even knew the identity of the shooter. Crunchy Frog Monday #11

Initech

(106,415 posts)

1. These fucking psychopaths really want to kill trans people. WTF.

Reply to usonian (Original post)

Sat Sep 20, 2025, 12:12 PM

Sep 20

stopdiggin

(14,439 posts)

2. this is a stretch. and, frankly - one where I'd have to see a lot more than

Reply to usonian (Original post)

Sat Sep 20, 2025, 12:18 PM

Sep 20

"anonymous sources say discussion .. "

usonian

(20,867 posts)

3. I'll add a caveat. I acknowledged the sources.

Reply to stopdiggin (Reply #2)

Sat Sep 20, 2025, 12:23 PM

Sep 20

stopdiggin

(14,439 posts)

6. trying to categorize the trans (or LGBTQ) community broadly as NVEs

Reply to usonian (Reply #3)

Sat Sep 20, 2025, 12:42 PM

Sep 20

would be QUITE the leap. And quite the step.
I'd say that likelihood is .... Diminishing ....
(But - stay tuned - I guess we'll see .. )

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usonian

(20,867 posts)

8. Torn.

Reply to stopdiggin (Reply #6)

Sat Sep 20, 2025, 12:50 PM

Sep 20

On one hand, try to be as factual as possible, and on the other
Put nothing past them.

As I have posted, as the "Epstein Event Horizon" approaches, expect more outrageous behavior.
And a culmination.
www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20659179

He is ramping up his brinksmanship. There will be a breaking point.
Reply to AverageOldGuy (Reply #9)
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 11:51 PM

And he wants it to take complete control, which pays his debt to Putin.

But, having served, I understand the oath. He does not understand honor and courage. Not one bit.

There will be a "Petrov" moment.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220295160 may 2025

TommyT139

(1,945 posts)

9. Your image link seems to be broken.

Reply to usonian (Reply #8)

Mon Sep 22, 2025, 03:27 PM

Monday

Also, if it matters, them.us is a highly-regarded, well-funded Conde-Nast publication.

I'm not familiar with the author, but the sources cited are The Heritage Fdn and the Project 2025 crowd...you know, the folks actually making policy in this country, despite little speed bumps like "laws" and "The Constitution."

Some of us in the T part of the rainbow have been watching as the rightwing has been paying groundwork for this move. (That squeak you hear is the Overton Window cracking a bit wider.)

There are executive orders, policies, databases,and funding set up to make this happen, and some state-level laws in place, which is how trumpists have field-tested some of their most vile policies in the past before rolling them out more broadly.

usonian

(20,867 posts)

10. I'll find the image and repost.

Reply to TommyT139 (Reply #9)

Mon Sep 22, 2025, 04:04 PM

Monday

I used two hosts. They behave oddly. Works on phone and computer now.

The caveat is because I am new to trolls, after all these years, and am figuring how to identify and deal with them. Still mister nice guy, but that may be changing rapidly.

Appreciate your inputs.

I obviously expect only the worst from the hate wing.

Crunchy Frog

(28,068 posts)

12. FWIW, here's a video that discusses it at some length. Not sure how good the sources are but worth watching IMO.

Reply to stopdiggin (Reply #2)

Mon Sep 22, 2025, 04:19 PM

Monday

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stopdiggin

(14,439 posts)

14. "trans activism" - - - Hmmm. Still having trouble actually seeing ....

Reply to Crunchy Frog (Reply #12)

Mon Sep 22, 2025, 06:24 PM

Monday

So, that would be like wearing a gaudy scarf .. flamboyant shoes .. hat? Letter to the editor? Call in to talk show?

Oh, I know! What if they got together and stormed the Capital .. ?

Silent Type

(11,261 posts)

4. The whole trans bashing it really vile and unnecessary. However, Ken Klipperstein is either lying or too lazy

Reply to usonian (Original post)

Sat Sep 20, 2025, 12:30 PM

Sep 20

to check the facts.

At least this recent BBC article sounds factual--

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7v1rle0598o

TommyT139

(1,945 posts)

13. The Them.us article addressed the CK shooter misinfo

Reply to Silent Type (Reply #4)

Mon Sep 22, 2025, 04:45 PM

Monday

For me, it's the Heritage Fdn documents that are the key convincers.

bluestarone

(20,377 posts)

5. America is changing fast

Reply to usonian (Original post)

Sat Sep 20, 2025, 12:36 PM

Sep 20

(my thinking, we'll be martial law by 2026 election) Hope it doesn't happen.

Ping Tung

(3,724 posts)

7. First they came for the communists....fill in next victims here.

Reply to usonian (Original post)

Sat Sep 20, 2025, 12:48 PM

Sep 20

Crunchy Frog

(28,068 posts)

11. They were targeting trans people before they even knew the identity of the shooter.

Reply to usonian (Original post)

Mon Sep 22, 2025, 04:11 PM

Monday

I would say that keeping Epstein out of the news cycle is a secondary aim. The primary one is to shut down free speech and to give themselves license to go after anyone at all that they can classify as a political opponent. This is something far bigger than the Epstein files, IMO.

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