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Eliot Rosewater

(33,833 posts)
Wed Sep 3, 2025, 03:16 PM Wednesday

Everyone must read this excerpt from British newspaper,, it's amazing it's amazing it's amazing!

Excerpts from The Times of London.

Someone asked, "Why don't some Britons like Donald Trump?"

Nate White, an eloquent and witty English writer, wrote this magnificent response:

Trump lacks certain qualities that the British traditionally value.

He has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honor, and no grace—qualities, oddly enough, with which his predecessor, Mr. Obama, was generously endowed.

While Trump may be ridiculous, he has never said anything ironic, amusing, or even mildly funny—not once, ever. I don't mean this rhetorically, I mean it literally: never. To British sensibilities a lack of humor is almost inhuman.

But with Trump, it's a fact. He doesn't even seem to understand what a joke is—to him, a joke is a crude comment, an illiterate insult, an act of casual cruelty.

Trump is like a troll, he's never funny or laughs; he just squeals with delight or mockery.

And the scary thing is, he doesn't just utter crude and stupid insults: he actually thinks while he uses them. His mind is a mere robotic algorithm of petty prejudices and instinctive nastiness.

There is never an underlying layer of irony, complexity, nuance, or depth. It's all superficial. We see him as lacking an inner world, a soul.

In Britain, we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky outsiders: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist.

Trump is neither plucky nor an outsider. He's the opposite.

He's not even a spoiled rich boy, nor a greedy fat cat.

He's more of a big white slug, a privileged Jabba the Hutt.

And worse, he's a bully.

When he finds himself in the midst of bullies; in that case, he suddenly transforms into a sniveling sidekick.

He strikes downwards—something a gentleman should not, could not, and should never do—and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly enjoys hitting the vulnerable or the voiceless—and he hits them when they are down.

So the fact that a significant minority—perhaps a third—of Americans watch what he does, listen to what he says, and then think, “Yes, he seems like my kind of guy” is a source of confusion and great distress to the British.

After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him utter a sentence or two, without staring into the abyss. He makes artlessness an art form; he's a Picasso of pettiness, a Shakespeare of shit. His flaws are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum.

There have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of evil people too. But rarely has stupidity been so evil, and rarely has evil been so stupid.

He makes Nixon seem trustworthy and George W. seem intelligent.

If Frankenstein decided to create a monster composed entirely of human flaws, he would create a Trump and a remorseful Dr. Frankenstein screamed in anguish, "My God what have I created?"

If an idiot were a television show, Trump would be the box set.

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Everyone must read this excerpt from British newspaper,, it's amazing it's amazing it's amazing! (Original Post) Eliot Rosewater Wednesday OP
This never ages malaise Wednesday #1
I think Mr. White authored that piece years ago. John1956PA Wednesday #2
Yes InstantGratification Wednesday #4
Anybody got a link? calimary Wednesday #8
There's no direct link to Nate White's original write-up on Quora, Feb. 12, 2019. Quora later took it down. ancianita Wednesday #13
First time I've seen it that I can remember, if the same person had to write it now Eliot Rosewater Wednesday #19
Totally agree. ancianita Wednesday #21
Nate White is a London copywriter. He answered a Quora question on February 12, 2019 with the reply the OP shows. Celerity Wednesday #26
"Mr. Obama, was generously endowed" JoseBalow Wednesday #3
Snicker hibbing Wednesday #18
My problem with Mr. White is he's much too nice, regarding Donald Trump. chouchou Wednesday #5
"Yes, he seems like my kind of guy" is a source of confusion and great distress to the British. progressoid Wednesday #6
Yes, it most certainly is. 3catwoman3 Wednesday #20
This goes back to its first run for prez, and never grows old Hekate Wednesday #7
It may be old but it's still as new as tiny, newly-sprouting weeds. calimary Wednesday #9
See Post 26 (White posted it on February 12, 2019) Celerity Wednesday #28
Excellent analysis of the orange felon Grim Chieftain Wednesday #10
Well, that sums it up nicely ashredux Wednesday #11
Goddamn right. Krasnov is an ignoramus. Joinfortmill Wednesday #12
"He's more of a big white slug, a privileged Jabba the Hutt" Ray Bruns Wednesday #14
"There have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of evil people too.... FakeNoose Wednesday #15
Wow. Endlessmike56 Wednesday #16
Thanks for sharing. If it is actually that old, it is uncanny how accurate and prescient it is blue_jay Wednesday #17
Great Britain is having nativist problems right now wolfie001 Wednesday #22
English wit is razor sharp thought crime Wednesday #23
"Picasso of pettiness," Butterflylady Wednesday #24
K&R spanone Wednesday #25
Absolutely perfect of what the orange piece of shit is.....to perfection. a kennedy Wednesday #27
"He has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility..." it's no wonder that he decided to become an asshole. Ping Tung Wednesday #29
No more needs to be said. kacekwl Wednesday #30
K and r KentuckyWoman Wednesday #31
The guy has around a 3 percent approval rating in MW67 Wednesday #32
Wish I had an answer Blue Owl Wednesday #33
This caught my eye... kentuck Wednesday #34
Spot On Chicagogrl1 Wednesday #35
So perfectly stated, "a Picasso of pettiness, a Shakespeare of shit." nt ShazamIam Wednesday #36
May be an optimistic statement: RVN VET71 Wednesday #37
Beautifully stated! Eliot Rosewater Yesterday #40
Dump trump Johnnie Mae Yesterday #38
Best description of Krasnov I've ever read. GoodRaisin Yesterday #39
An excellent analysis of one who truly B.See Yesterday #41
100% Mr.Bee Yesterday #42
Simply marvelous description of TSF's personality characteristics. n/t iluvtennis Yesterday #43
...boxed set! 🤣lol! Hope22 Yesterday #44
This one sentence floored me in it's accuracy: DeeDeeNY Yesterday #45
And WE, as a country elected this freak sdfernando Yesterday #46
Bookmarked. Iggo Yesterday #47
4. Yes
Wed Sep 3, 2025, 03:59 PM
Wednesday

One tip off is the reference to Mr. Obama as his predecessor. This was written during Dumpster Fire's first term, the flaming shit show is much worse this go around.

ancianita

(41,610 posts)
13. There's no direct link to Nate White's original write-up on Quora, Feb. 12, 2019. Quora later took it down.
Wed Sep 3, 2025, 05:33 PM
Wednesday

This link from roughly a year ago (with comments long before that) shows what Nate White says within a Quora discussion... if it was seen in the Times of London, it likely didn't originate there, but in White's blog.




https://www.quora.com/When-did-Nate-White-write-his-description-of-Trump

Eliot Rosewater

(33,833 posts)
19. First time I've seen it that I can remember, if the same person had to write it now
Wed Sep 3, 2025, 06:26 PM
Wednesday

There would have to be more about how the piece of shit is trying to kill millions of people I guess.

But it is fun to read.

Celerity

(51,734 posts)
26. Nate White is a London copywriter. He answered a Quora question on February 12, 2019 with the reply the OP shows.
Wed Sep 3, 2025, 08:33 PM
Wednesday

Quora bots deleted the question soon thereafter.

Here is White's profile:



Here is the link to the question:






Here is the earliest link I could find to another site that highlights White's answer (it was posted less than a month after White's Quora answer went up):

British Writer Pens The Best Description Of Trump I’ve Read

March 8, 2019 ~ THE HOBBLEDEHOY

https://thehobbledehoy.com/2019/03/08/british-writer-pens-the-best-description-of-trump-ive-read/



Someone on the question-and-answer website Quora asked “Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?” Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England wrote the following response:

A few things spring to mind.

Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.
For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.
So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever.
I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.

But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.

And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface.

Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront.
Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.

And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist.
Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that.
He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat.

He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.

And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully.
That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead.

There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down.

So the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:
• Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
• You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.

This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss.
After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum.
God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid.

He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart.
In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump.

And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish:
‘My God… what… have… I… created?
If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.

progressoid

(51,814 posts)
6. "Yes, he seems like my kind of guy" is a source of confusion and great distress to the British.
Wed Sep 3, 2025, 04:05 PM
Wednesday

It's a source of confusion and great distress to us too.

3catwoman3

(27,596 posts)
20. Yes, it most certainly is.
Wed Sep 3, 2025, 07:30 PM
Wednesday

I exist on a constant state of incredulity that enough of our countrymen are gullible enough, stupid enough, mean enough, hateful enough, ignorant enough, etc, etc, to have done this to our nation twice.

FakeNoose

(38,493 posts)
15. "There have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of evil people too....
Wed Sep 3, 2025, 05:58 PM
Wednesday

" .... But rarely has stupidity been so evil, and rarely has evil been so stupid."

Nice summation there!


blue_jay

(97 posts)
17. Thanks for sharing. If it is actually that old, it is uncanny how accurate and prescient it is
Wed Sep 3, 2025, 06:11 PM
Wednesday

Sadly I think there are many people in America (certainly elsewhere too) with the seeds of Trumpishness within them but only a privileged few, through dumb luck, power or corruption are able to damage so many with the damaged psyche they carry within themselves, mental anguish that was instilled at a young age and never challenged, encouraged to change or assisted to heal. I see it in many around me who have the seeds of bullying and defensiveness within them because of fragile self-esteem I suspect. Only those with enough better angels in their lives and patient teachers can even make a dent in this broken mindset, but if none of try to reach the ones around us whom we can, in an empathetic way (and yes this process is tedious and painful), the world will always reflect this back to us to see where we have given up. It is easier to let the psychopaths among us rise to power because dealing with them is so exhausting, especially without support from others. Just my opinion after avoiding confronting the things and people I didn't like for many years only to see them elevated to the heights of power. I am glad at least some/ more people are standing up for what is right now. Perhaps America is getting its mojo back.

wolfie001

(5,994 posts)
22. Great Britain is having nativist problems right now
Wed Sep 3, 2025, 08:17 PM
Wednesday

Attacking Labor and blaming Labor for all the ills the Conservacunts (Tories) have built into the system. Farage is trying to lead these a-holes. Painting red crosses all over.

Ping Tung

(3,505 posts)
29. "He has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility..." it's no wonder that he decided to become an asshole.
Wed Sep 3, 2025, 08:44 PM
Wednesday

Blue Owl

(57,247 posts)
33. Wish I had an answer
Wed Sep 3, 2025, 09:43 PM
Wednesday

But I am at a loss to understand what ANYONE sees in this disgusting con man.

kentuck

(114,545 posts)
34. This caught my eye...
Wed Sep 3, 2025, 09:47 PM
Wednesday

"So the fact that a significant minority—perhaps a third—of Americans watch what he does, listen to what he says, and then think, “Yes, he seems like my kind of guy” is a source of confusion and great distress to the British."

RVN VET71

(2,972 posts)
37. May be an optimistic statement:
Wed Sep 3, 2025, 10:29 PM
Wednesday

"So the fact that a significant minority—perhaps a third—of Americans watch what he does, listen to what he says, and then think, “Yes, he seems like my kind of guy” is a source of confusion and great distress to the British."

I'd say closer to half America's voting public can't get enough of this ancient, incontinent, degenerate, child rapist. 77,000,000 voted for him. An enormous number of enablers for the sadist who has never shirked at voicing his disdain for what was once proudly considered "the American Way!" and acting to change the Country of his birth to a cesspool of hatred, suspicion, and racism.

B.See

(6,338 posts)
41. An excellent analysis of one who truly
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 05:42 AM
Yesterday

ranks as the world's worst of the worse.

And the fact that many of his devotees not only still stand BY him, but believe he's God's anointed one,

only confirms that there are a significant number of Americans among us who are just as twisted, sick, and EVIL as he.

Says a lot, to the rest of the world, as to what nearly half of America REALLY stands for, DOESN'T it?

Bookmarked, K&R

DeeDeeNY

(3,816 posts)
45. This one sentence floored me in it's accuracy:
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 11:44 AM
Yesterday

"His mind is a mere robotic algorithm of petty prejudices and instinctive nastiness."

sdfernando

(5,889 posts)
46. And WE, as a country elected this freak
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 12:54 PM
Yesterday

not once, but TWICE!!!!

The European image of the crass, uncultured, rude, self-important, and stupid american (lower case a) is so well deserved!!!!

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