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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe multiple flyovers of the press conf tells you everything you need to know
The desperation by the WH, the attempt at intimidation, at a level so frightening it is almost unimaginable.

Walleye
(42,214 posts)We already know hes a criminal and a creep and a rapist. What more could come out, geez
Jersey Devil
(10,476 posts)I don't think there is any evidence that Trump ever actively took part in it, but I bet the files show clearly that he knew what was going on and at the minimum kept quiet about it.
Walleye
(42,214 posts)Maybe he participated in threatening the girls not to talk
Traildogbob
(11,741 posts)To believe a convicted rapist that openly admitted he grabs women by the pussy, and in videos with Epstein drooling over women, spoke of sexual desires for his daughter, and stalked teenage pageant girls, Would walk away when offered 13-14 year old girls at his command.
So his Moral values and lifelong respect for women would not allow him to go there?
This pig would gang bang a couch with Vance, as long as it was young and barely used.
Martin Eden
(14,830 posts)The notion that serial sexual abuser Donald did not indulge his desires with teenage girls under the control of his best friend is VERY hard to believe.
some_of_us_are_sane
(1,844 posts)(Thank you Traildogbob.)

Traildogbob
(11,741 posts)pattyloutwo
(484 posts)Young and barely used is an analogy to referring to a girl that way
evolves
(5,627 posts)He's up to his neck in the corruption and perversion.
58Sunliner
(6,020 posts)
Bluetus
(1,452 posts)Trump isn't afraid of anybody knowing he raped young girls. We already knew that, or at least had every reason to expect that.
To understand this business, one must follow the money. There were hundreds of millions of dollars passing through Epstein's accounts. I don't care how many prostitutes you can recruit, they can't possible have enough sex to kick off hundreds of millions of dollars.
Do the math. Let's say that Epstein's clients were really, really appreciative, and they paid $2000 for each encounter. To generate the money going into Epstein's accounts, Epstein would have to bill for 100,000 sexual acts. That never happened. Not even close. Moreover, I doubt any of his clients paid ANYTHING for the service. This was not about sex. This was about extortion and it was about recruiting more agents for Russia, Mussad and other dark forces. And it was about the money laundering that we already knew Trump was running through his casinos and resorts. THAT is how you get numbers in the hundreds of millions.
So what is Trump likely trying to cover up? I can't say precisely. But I bet it is along the lines of Trump playing an active role in recruiting prominent people into Epstein's sex extortion trap. We know that Prince Andrew got caught up in that. How much would the Royal Family pay to keep that out of the news? Quite a bit, I'd say.
And let's understand this all happened on the same timeline that the KGB was grooming Trump as an asset. These things are likely intertwined very deeply.
It is not about the sex. It is much bigger than that.
guss
(247 posts)Trump Doesn't Care about Sex trafficking, giving out secrets to our adversary's, Fraud taking from charities. kill a boat load of people.
If he Makes money. or its to cover up his ass or to promote it. It's not wrong.
Trueblue Texan
(3,699 posts)He is so greedy, it's hard to believe he would stop at mere sexual abuse of young women and girls. He always wants a cut of the profits. My guess is that's the real reason he and Epstein parted ways. Epstein told Michael Wolfe he always believed TSF turned him in to the FBI. It's curious that Maria Farmer's complaint went nowhere, but after Epstein and TSF became estranged, the FBI built a case against Epstein.
Walleye
(42,214 posts)I think we know him well enough now to know what he is capable of: Anything, to get money to get fame to pretend hes winning. .
Blue Full Moon
(2,744 posts)PatSeg
(50,885 posts)I think he's guilty and that is why he is responding so defensively.
Trueblue Texan
(3,699 posts)Walleye
(42,214 posts)AllyCat
(18,175 posts)Is just talk? He definitely participated. They are not lying.
mwmisses4289
(2,064 posts)That his role was more than than just that of a good friend who attended the house parties?
Jersey Devil
(10,476 posts)Something along the lines you describe or perhaps giving tips to Epstein about where to acquire more victims. Trump had the girls, at his beauty pageants and Mara Lago and got pissed when Epstein poached Giuffre from Mara Lago without Trump's permission.
slightlv
(6,516 posts)he was more than a customer, he was a business partner. And not just in the sex trafficking. Epstein was involved in arms dealing and lots of other stuff with Israel and other countries. I would lay odds russia wasn't the only country working against us where the elections with trump were concerned. The other countries didn't want their names and crimes brought to light, and their greedy selves wanted more and more arms and laws from trump that could help them.
If the American people ever found out, beyond a doubt, how screwed our elections have been for at least the last two decades, I would hope there'd be a major revolution.
Skittles
(167,043 posts)it's bad, whatever it is
Donkees
(33,055 posts)who died in a crash in Poland on Aug. 28.
Poland's new president, Karol Nawrocki, arrived at the White House on Wednesday
https://www.boston25news.com/news/politics/polish-president/B6BOT54LNZB5TJNX7UL2GEMWTU/
Jersey Devil
(10,476 posts)Sure, just another convenient coincidence.
vapor2
(2,978 posts)obamanut2012
(28,760 posts)Three flyovers at the exact same time as the presser? lol
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Scrivener7
(57,016 posts)RockRaven
(17,805 posts)Only one conclusion to draw from the way he behaves...
Walleye
(42,214 posts)58Sunliner
(6,020 posts)I'm guessing he raped people. and we have testimony to that very offense.
Skittles
(167,043 posts)if it is all a DEMOCRAT HOAX, let's see it so it can all be "disproven"
riversedge
(77,539 posts)Daniel Goldman
@danielsgoldman
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Trump spends oodles of $$ for an absurd military flyover to silence victims of Epsteins and Maxwells awful crimes as he protects the perpetrators of those crimes.
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Acyn
@Acyn
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WH Flyover interrupts Epstein Survivors press conference
Link to tweet
BoRaGard
(7,295 posts)shows you how corrupt they are
Skittles
(167,043 posts)If they're this bad at coverup, imagine how bad they they are at their actual jobs. Oh wait.
surfered
(8,938 posts)
calimary
(87,642 posts)Yep. Tells you everything you need to know.
GoCubsGo
(34,246 posts)Imagine having to resort to ordering military jets to fly over an event multiple times, just so their noise could drown out the speakers. And, actually believing that would shut them up. And, actually believing that the rest of us wouldn't know exactly what you were trying to do there. Not only was it petty, embarrassing, and desperate. It was also STUPID.
Justice matters.
(8,819 posts)and he believes he can do whatever he wants to whoever crosses his path, without being held accountable for any of his malignant wrongdoings (called "crimes" in the criminal code). And now, he uses the taxpayers' money to not only pay for his golf trips, but also to force the military to participate in his cover up shenanigans.
Nigrum Cattus
(964 posts)like that just hardens our resolve.
Evolve Dammit
(21,188 posts)his eyeballs despite the 2,000?? FBI agents who poured over the "files" to look for Drumpf implications
I recall that there were hard drives and lots of other info in the safe they cut open when they raided Epstein's house. There is so much more and will we ever know? How about we just get the 400 plus page indictment that the FL US Attorney filed? 2009?
Irish_Dem
(73,831 posts)2naSalit
(97,687 posts)i guess. But this isn't the end of it so whatever stupid stunts are attempted to thwart this will fail.
IronLionZion
(49,796 posts)MACA Make America China Again
Fil1957
(203 posts)Fil1957
(203 posts)vapor2
(2,978 posts)and the flyover an obvious attempt to distract/obstruct etc. YES, expose.them.all
Javaman
(64,438 posts)augyboston
(372 posts)He was dead wrong!
Their courage against the most powerful people in the world is so admirable and inspiring it brings tears.
Fly all the jets you want, nothing will keep the truth from coming out.
Why suddenly this is a Democratic hoax (if I never hear that word again, it'll be much too soon) when Donnie called for releasing these files when he was a candidate?!?
Release the Epstein files in their entirety immdiately.
Swede
(37,213 posts)Blue Owl
(57,247 posts)Pacifist Patriot
(25,115 posts)judy
(1,958 posts)"Mr.President, as you are committed to transparency, why did you call voting for the discharge petition to release the Epstein files a 'hostile act'"?
Answer "bla bla bla already released, transparency is my thing, bla bla drivel drivel"
Reporter: "So then, why did you term it hostile?"
Answer: "Bad question...NEXT!"
This tells you everything you need to know...
underpants
(192,608 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(169,179 posts)