I think it fits in with what was said here...
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/tBnvEsXaB2Q


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There is always a reaction to every extreme political behavior. The elections of JFK and LBJ after the conservatism of Eisenhower. Then, as a reaction to LBJ, they elected Nixon.
Then, mass protests and the popularity of the hippies as a reaction to Nixon, his corruption and the war in Vietnam. The election of Carter.
The Democrats nominated McGovern and Mondale and the reaction was Reagan and HW Bush. Then Clinton came around for 8 years. Then the reaction against that by Dubya (Gore really won but Dubya got enough votes to be able to steal it. Then, Obama, followed by Trump (it was really Hillary who won) Then Rejection of Trump by Biden. Rejection of Biden with Trump (we know that Harris really won but Trump was able to get enough votes to cheat his way in. I think there will be a rejection of Trump and his pitiful economic policies and when the shit really hits the fan, maybe not until 2027 when the new tax cuts go through and the Rural areas lose their hospitals and totally go into poverty, there will be another reaction and the Democrats will be back in power. It will be much tougher because of all the Gerrymandering and election corruption.

There is the 40 year history cycle theory, but I think that the cycle is shorter than the 20 year cycles. Four Turnings:
Each 80-year cycle is divided into four distinct phases: "High" (confident expansion), "Awakening" (rebellion and social change), "Unraveling" (institutional decline), and "Crisis" (the "Fourth Turning&quot . 

The tide WILL turn. And when it does, conservatism will be rejected for years to come.

I find the defeatism to be a little tedious, frankly.

But it feels different. This is a complete unraveling of society coming down the track like a freight train. You know it's happening but there is nothing you can do to stop it.
I have no doubt we will recover as a society and hopefully be better but I'm realistic that a lot of us may not be here to see it.

They'd do better to more accurately describe this as HEALING from a disease.
The body politic can rid itself of the pathogens or autoimmune disease that sicken it.
Though it takes time to heal, the orderly systems of a healthy body politic return to systems that work together and grow stronger.


Nah.They can miss us with this criticism of "going back" or "returning" or "restoring" normal.
Theirs isn't even a fair analysis. Theirs is some abstract way of adapting to real world objective harm.
We KNOW there are real people doing real harm to millions of real Americans -- We KNOW we are not reacting. These are not some "inevitable forces" -- and that's the bottom line.

They don't get it. They're missing the real drives of human history. What they're doing is playing into adaptation mode -- that lives with UNjust peace, rewritten history, arts, censored language, disordered, violent rule-of-men societies, etc. -- none of which should be adapted to at all.

We humans evolved by fighting against entropic forces -- the kinds that try to kill off human creativity, innovation, the arts and sciences, real laws of morality, and LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

If that's what it'll take to stop Trump, we're doomed.

But I suspect the poster meant American leaders - and they're right. Even Nixon was reined by a liberal Supreme Court. We don't even have that anymore.

Getting on boats and traveling across the Atlantic to take out Hitler or the Pacific to take our imperial Japan.

Those countries were perfectly fine w them.

That was when only one nation had nukes. Now multiple nations (including BAD actor ones) have nukes.

Been getting progressively more brazen with each attempt. I suspect now that they think they hit the jackpot.

I hope that I live long enough to see them destroyed.

He wasn't extreme at all. JFK's election victory had nothing to do with Ike.

guidelines, or the law. We will assume they will always act in their own self-interest, and screw America every chance they get.

Kick.

and if you think about it very, very carefully, you'll realize that going backward means going back to a lot of things we took as normal but which were not good for us or our country, like massive offshoring of all the good jobs, destruction of unions, wage suppression as a matter of public policy, and a tax code that was massively skewed to benefit the super rich and no one else.

Hell, I don't want to return to that, no matter how comforting the politicians make it all sound. NO THANKS.

So I sincerely hope we will come through this insanity and find ourselves im a much better place, not a "normal" one. Normal wasn't so great. I don't want to go back there.

I can think of a lot of things that can exist within the constutional framework we have now as long as the USSC is expanded to reflect the number of District Courts, make packing it nearly impossible.

Others might require amendments, like the one that guarantees full civil liberties to the female half of the country that have long been taken for granted by the male half.

Reforms are absolutely vital. I just hope we survive long enough to enact them.

What you and I want actually needs so such more of a normal democracy, that current Gallup/Pew/Reuters-Ipsos Poll samples are statistically representative of the larger voter population who actually turn up and actually vote us a Congressional win in 2026, and a Democratic Party trifecta in 2028.

But now in 2025-26, we have to "go back" to the abnormal redistricting battles that need to be fought and won. If we win the midterm gerrymandering battles, then GOTV enough to win Congress, then the 2028 GE battles of vote count and certification cheaters will turn out like the 2020 court battles: 61-1 we win.

Both fights are absolutely necessary but they absolutely will not be won simply by our just being 'in the right.'
Then when normal, honest democracy returns, 'we the people' return to the more perfect union framework of majority rule with minority rights. Right now it's one man/corporate rule with pay-to-play privatized "rights."

Win those four battles ahead, so that Congress can
1. conduct a top-down judicial review which will include expanding SCOTUS to 13 justices, then 2. rescind Citizens United, so that when corporate oligarchs sue, the expanded SC will exist to
3. back up Congress, The People's Branch.

We will survive if we collectively put on our armor of fortitude, righteous fighting for our children's children, and mutually support for each other. Look at it as the good tired that comes from good but necessary trouble.

Yes. By the time one gets to my age, you have learned the Cardinal Rule of life: YOU CAN'T GO BACK! You may think you want to go back and even try to go back, but you'll fail every time. Life has a life of it's own, so to speak. It 's nature is to go forward, not backwards.
Thank you, struggle4progress for this OP.

Is the fundamental disconnect between Trump voters and Biden/Harris voters. It's really vast and I don't think it's bridgeable.

They care little a about laws or rights or procedure, they just want straight white Christian men back on top, however that happens.

It's not really even a liberal v conservative anymore.

The side problem is that the Democratic Party is truly becoming a very loose coalition where parts of the coalition really don't like other parts of the coalition. And vice versa. That complicates our ability to fight and unite.

The final problem is the third of the country who simply refuse to participate in politics. They won't vote. They won't protest. They just remove themselves from everything. It's part of why we are locked into this yo yo between Dem and Rep for what seems like quite a long time now. At least since Clinton.

I don't know what fixes it. Yeah we could win in 26 and 28 but it's almost guaranteed we loose at least somewhere in 30.

Quite frankly we need a Barack/Bill type of charismatic leader to drag some of the folks out of their stupor into the voting booth.