If Americans could stop voting for stuff they later say they don't want, that would be great.

This didn't happen in a vacuum, or overnight but has been in the making for well over 30+ years.

"Where there is no vision, the people perish" Proverbs 29:18

That's why they're getting turned off by ICE's tactics even many of the ones that voted for *rump. Many of them actually believed he was going after criminals and rapists which tied in nicely with their belief that he was actually going to open the Epstein files and go after the elite pedophiles.

It was all part of the same psychological package, "elites and immigrant criminals."

MILLIONS, with NO qualifiers. So your arguments in no way contradict something I did NOT, in fact, say. But do keep trying.

and at this point I see no need to "keep trying."

No argument here.

Same thing will happen here if the American people do not stand up to stop it.

The only path that I see to avoid Germany of the 1930s fate is for the American People to unite under our core principles, against the the forces that would try to divide us along superficial lines of narrow self interest.

If they didn't want a dictatorship, they shouldn't have voted for it.

Voting for open fascists seems to indicate that you want fascism.

Indeed, they need it. It's a significant part of what makes them right-wingers.

They need a sort of authoritarian hierarchy: at the top, a leader who controls what they do and think because they think it absolves them of blame and responsibility. Then they need to be (and almost always are) tyrannical in their families.

They don't want to work for an authoritarian, but neither do they want to be in charge, because responsibility comes with that role.

And it's not Donald Trump. It is Vladimir Putin. That man is the world's biggest terrorist and he needs to be shown how we used to treat terrorists.

usually in speeches or advertising, ie: don't want authoritarianism, dictatorship, or oligarchy they're not speaking for every single American, but of the majority and in most cases the vast majority of the American People.

You are most wise, Uncle Joe.

The late Harold Pinter explained exactly why upon receiving the Nobel Prize for Literature in 2005:

It seems to me, every leap forward that we ever made came after crisis, struggle, and resolution between opposing forces as to what the phrase or identity stands for.

However too much comfort in the symbolic idea of the "American People" for its' own sake, while ignoring the harsh realities faced by our people at home and those abroad in an ever shrinking world is what ultimately blinds our vision both here and abroad while stoking mindless fear of the other.

The national identity can't remain stagnant for it would decay, but it can't move forward without vision, courage, conflict, and probable sacrifice.

To my way of thinking our myopic vision has seen too much promotion of symbolism over substance whether it be the flag over the Constitution or capitalism over democracy and this has driven policies in Central America that "War is a Racket" General Smedley Butler warned about even before World War II.

Thanks for the video Kid Berwyn, it was a most powerful testimony from Harold Pinter.

YAMW, Uncle Joe!

Words from the end of Pinter's Nobel speech:

"When we look into a mirror we think the image that confronts us is accurate. But move a millimetre and the image changes. We are actually looking at a never-ending range of reflections. But sometimes a writer has to smash the mirror – for it is on the other side of that mirror that the truth stares at us.

"I believe that despite the enormous odds which exist, unflinching, unswerving, fierce intellectual determination, as citizens, to define the real truth of our lives and our societies is a crucial obligation which devolves upon us all. It is in fact mandatory.

"If such a determination is not embodied in our political vision we have no hope of restoring what is so nearly lost to us – the dignity of man."