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Brenda

(1,746 posts)
Sat Aug 23, 2025, 07:46 PM Saturday

The Mad Religion of Technological Salvation

The targets in his new book More Everything Forever are the names we’ve come to associate with the great leaps forward in the march of what Becker calls the religion of technological salvation: Sam Altman, genius progenitor of artificial intelligence; Elon Musk, technocrat extraordinaire and SpaceX honcho; space-colonization guru and Amazon godhead Jeff Bezos; Mark Andreesen, billionaire software engineer, venture capital investor, and avowed technofascist; and Facebook co-founder Dustin Moskovitz, who has donated hundreds of millions of dollars to so-called “longtermist” think tanks that provide the ideological ground for the religion of tech salvation. He also aims his guns at Ray Kurzweil, grand wizard of software engineering, inventor, planner of the immortalizing digitalization of human affairs called “the Singularity;” Eliezer Yudkowsky, a writer and researcher who attributes fantastical (but as yet non-existent) powers to artificial general intelligence, or AGI; and the crew of longtermist tech apologists at Oxford University on whom Moskovitz and other Valley barons have lavished funding.


Musk and Bezos’s “power fantasies” of space colonization and visions of “AI immortality” will usher in a future of unlimited wealth and resources, beyond the confines of Earth, the solar system, the galaxy. Ray Kurzweil’s dream of the Singularity involves the uploading of minds into digital simulations, so we can live forever. All of this, Becker says, is a divorced-from-reality sales pitch driven by the primordial fear of death. Overarching it is what’s called “engineer’s disease”: the mental derangement of believing that engineering can solve anything and everything.


In Becker’s telling, for example, Kurzweil is an unhinged fantasist manically attempting to resurrect his dead father into an artificial intelligence “Dad Bot.” Like a Christian apocalyptic prophet, the high priest of the church of tech salvation promises the Singularity to arrive as early as 2045, when AI computing becomes so fast and so powerful it will transform society, Earth, and the universe itself to overcome “cosmological forces,” including time and aging, the laws of physics and entropy. All existence would become one giant computer spinning forever out across the vastness of space. “The objective is to tame the universe, to make it into a padded playground,” writes Becker. “Nobody would age, nobody would get sick, and – above all else – nobody’s dad would die.”


I have believed this to be happening since I read Kurzweil's "The Singularity is Near" released in 2005. I think I read it in 2006. Guys like him and Thiel seriously believe they will be Gods when they perfect the tech. I wish there was a fatal pandemic that only affected the asshole greedy arrogant rich fucks.

Lots more at link:

https://www.counterpunch.org/2025/08/22/the-mad-religion-of-technological-salvation/
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Brenda

(1,746 posts)
1. These guys were on stage with Chump
Sat Aug 23, 2025, 07:59 PM
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It’s the ultimate revenge of the nerds, made worse because of our subservience to their immense money and overhyped influence. What to do in answer? Understand the authoritarian nature of these zealots, so we can repulse their attempts at the takeover of society and shatter into bits the armatures of their loony-tune machines. As Becker puts it, channeling Orwell’s 1984: “If you want a picture of [the] future, imagine a billionaire’s digital boot stamping on a human face – forever.”


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Trueblue Texan

(3,628 posts)
2. What a horrible thought that sorry MFers like TSF can never die. Makes me want to die right now. nt
Sat Aug 23, 2025, 08:17 PM
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moniss

(7,923 posts)
4. Yes and for a very long time the "worship" aspect about tech
Sat Aug 23, 2025, 08:47 PM
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has been discussed in the areas of environmental issues, health, energy etc. along with the concepts of what is called "dangerous knowledge". I've worked in engineering and technical fields and I can attest that the engineers of today are very different than those of 40 or 50 years ago. There is a hubris that is far more prevalent and combined with a deepening disconnect in universities efforts to mandate courses in arts, literature, humanities etc. for those seeking STEM degrees we are seeing a larger and larger problem of STEM graduates with less and less concern about the potential negative impacts their work can have on society and individuals.

I'm sure a great portion of them can be found that can tell you the latest development in their field but cannot tell you the last time they just went outside and sat in the grass and looked at the sky. Nor could they tell you why doing things like that for no particular reason is essential for human beings. They would believe that these things are a "waste of time" and that people should be always looking to put their efforts into "getting ahead" and "doing more".

Ping Tung

(3,427 posts)
5. Man is the only animal to have found the ONE TRUE GOD.........several of them. Mark Twain
Sat Aug 23, 2025, 08:59 PM
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RPM

(5,630 posts)
7. ugh
Sat Aug 23, 2025, 10:07 PM
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This is the plague that will do them in. And we poors that are left out have a 50/50 shot.

Dem2theMax

(10,926 posts)
8. I'm barely halfway through the article, and all I can think is that I'm glad I'm old,
Sat Aug 23, 2025, 11:50 PM
Saturday

and that I never brought children into the world.

Thank you for posting this article.
Going to the bookstore to purchase the book this week.
Actually thinking of getting more than one copy, because I know people who would really like to read it.

Brenda

(1,746 posts)
10. Totally agree with you.
Sun Aug 24, 2025, 07:53 AM
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It's like all the dystopian sci-fi I've read and watched over the last 50 years has come true over night.

And to think Chump turned out to be the catalyst is mind boggling.

LudwigPastorius

(13,250 posts)
9. The transformational tech is coming (AGI, nanotechnology, personal genomics, quantum computing, etc. ) but,...
Sun Aug 24, 2025, 12:22 AM
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the idea that it will save civilization and usher in utopia is wishful thinking.

If anything, it will concentrate wealth & power in fewer and fewer hands.

hatrack

(63,383 posts)
11. And it will likely remove any remaining chance of stabilizing climate, thanks to energy demand . . .
Sun Aug 24, 2025, 08:00 AM
Sunday

But gotta "win the AI race with Jaina!!"



I particularly enjoyed the quote "Go to space and you can ignore the scarcity of resources."



From the article:

Ketcham: I’ve noticed a phrase you like to use: That’s not how the world works. These people, it seems, are divorced from the reality of the world.

Becker: Yeah, they are. They have completely misunderstood how the world works, how science works, how people work. I know I keep hammering away at Andreesen, because he’s my least favorite person in the entire book. He says in that unhinged manifesto of his that he is the keeper of the true scientific method, contrasting himself with academic scientists. Well, buddy, first of all, you wouldn’t need to say it so loud if it were true. And second, the real scientific method is not to have a statement of beliefs about what the world is and how it works, or what the inevitable future of technology is. The real scientific method is to be curious and questioning about the world and be open, constantly open, to the possibility that you’re wrong – in fact, expecting that you’re wrong. And that’s not something these people are capable of.

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