I knew that but figured anyone else wouldn't get it unless I tied it to Meatloaf. Didn't know he was a Trumper or anti-vax though. Kind of gives me a sad.

edhopper

(36,556 posts)

15. He said this shortly before he got Covid and died

Reply to Jersey Devil (Reply #13)

Sat Aug 23, 2025, 03:20 PM

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"We're being controlled by everybody", he replied: "Yeah, I know. But not me. If I die, I die, but I'm not going to be controlled."

MAGAT idiot.

niyad

(126,336 posts)

3. So, without complaint, we just willingly let the monsters destroy us?

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sat Aug 23, 2025, 10:06 AM

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DemocratSinceBirth

(101,119 posts)

4. That's not what Elliott Ness did.

Reply to niyad (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 23, 2025, 10:08 AM

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edhopper

(36,556 posts)

11. Tried that

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #4)

Sat Aug 23, 2025, 10:37 AM

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He was going to trial for Fraud, Nat Security Violations and inciting insurrection. It failed.
How would you suggest we fight these monsters?

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,119 posts)

12. Ness would have dropped him off a building like he did in the movie.

Reply to edhopper (Reply #11)

Sat Aug 23, 2025, 10:46 AM

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chia

(2,629 posts)

5. Someone has to battle the monsters.

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sat Aug 23, 2025, 10:19 AM

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DemocratSinceBirth

(101,119 posts)

6. The Paradox of Tolerance.

Reply to chia (Reply #5)

Sat Aug 23, 2025, 10:24 AM

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Reminds me of the quote from Jesus Christ who said, " I send you out as sheep among wolves, be wise as serpents and harmless as doves." Very few moral codes prescribe that you can't defend yourself. I also don't think Nietzsche meant to suggest to just let people abuse you.

niyad

(126,336 posts)

8. Then why post that quote, since that is exactly what it says?

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #6)

Sat Aug 23, 2025, 10:30 AM

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DemocratSinceBirth

(101,119 posts)

9. Because I posted its antidote directly under it.

Reply to niyad (Reply #8)

Sat Aug 23, 2025, 10:31 AM

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And there's more to Nietzsche's philosophy than the quote.

republianmushroom

(21,096 posts)

14. Not someone, but, everyone.

Reply to chia (Reply #5)

Sat Aug 23, 2025, 12:16 PM

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Prairie Gates

(5,955 posts)

7. ...

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sat Aug 23, 2025, 10:27 AM

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"Philosophize with a hammer."

Ping Tung

(3,418 posts)

16. Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster.

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sat Aug 23, 2025, 03:31 PM

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Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.

Friedrich Nietzsche

No cause justifies the deaths of innocent people. Albert Camus

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