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lostincalifornia

(4,236 posts)
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 02:30 PM Thursday

So I see the League of Women voters of California is telling people to vote no on redistricting.

President of the League of Women voters, Gloria Chun Hoo wrote and editorial in the Sacramento Bee talking about "fairness"

https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/op-ed/article311506653.html

and they are sending mailers out and advertisements throughout the state pushing that.

So WTF are the Democrats supposed to do, just roll over and let the republicans do EXACTLY this in red states while securing a republican majority in the house for decades?

The League of Women Voters say they are "nonpartisan", and pride themselves on that. Well, they can take that nonpartisan bullshit, and put it where the sun don't shine. Our Democracy is hanging on by a thread, and they are effectively preaching to just let the fascists take over.

As I get older, I am less and less tolerant of idiocy, and what the League of Women Voters is suggesting is pure idiocy.

They have just motivated me to donate to the Newsom redistricting proposition.

I tried to call them to voice my opposition to their view. The line is busy. Hopefully it is California voters telling them they are full of it.

https://lwvc.org/contact/




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So I see the League of Women voters of California is telling people to vote no on redistricting. (Original Post) lostincalifornia Thursday OP
I'm voting yes...... Lovie777 Thursday #1
Good, so am I, and I hope most California voters aren't folled by this nonesense of "fairness". That went out the lostincalifornia Thursday #2
My wife and I are also voting "Yes" obamanut2012 Thursday #7
I am also voting "yes". We can cancel out Texas. LoisB Thursday #25
My husband and I are voting YES BuddhaGirl Thursday #45
Another yes here too airplaneman Thursday #49
Didn't Trump tell the League of Woman Voters to shove their debates up their ass? dem4decades Thursday #3
Sacramento... I am sure they have right-wing members. Justice matters. Thursday #34
I didn't realize it was in California, that makes it worse. dem4decades Thursday #35
They are status quo thinkers JustAnotherGen Thursday #4
We are ALL fucked if we dont stop them Hornedfrog2000 Thursday #16
And (some) people still wonder why democrats have been losing so many registered voters. PSPS Thursday #5
So the decline in registered Democrats from 2020-24 SouthBayDem Thursday #37
Does anybody care about their opinion on anything? Ritabert Thursday #6
The mailer lied. LWV isn't part of the opposition. Ocelot II Thursday #52
Thanks for the update. Ritabert Friday #61
Naive and ignorant at best. Ursus Rex Thursday #8
So what? Are they all ladies who lunch now? ananda Thursday #9
They should have checked with Texas first Zambero Thursday #10
They vehemently oppose Texas gerrymandering! LeftInTX Thursday #46
flee for your lives Tetrachloride Thursday #11
bonk ... Prepare for battle Tetrachloride Thursday #12
And the League of Women Voters - IN TEXAS - said what? Grins Thursday #13
That is a very good point. markodochartaigh Thursday #30
They vehemently oppose the Texas gerrymandering. LeftInTX Thursday #47
I would wonder what is in someones closet Hornedfrog2000 Thursday #14
The redistricting is to MAKE IT FAIR, dumb asses! boston bean Thursday #15
I got the flyer today Give Peace A Chance Thursday #17
I guess we will see what their relevance is newdeal2 Thursday #18
I met a few California League of Women's Voters members... haele Thursday #19
Did somebody get to them? StarryNite Thursday #20
No. Ocelot II Thursday #53
Thank you. StarryNite Thursday #56
They aren't associated with the mailer... SickOfTheOnePct Monday #64
Whenever any political organization B.See Thursday #21
Amen! I don't know what's gotten into them, but they seriously need to learn from women voters ancianita Thursday #26
Have they shown up to fucking protest at the Texas state Capitol? maxrandb Thursday #22
Yes, they have. Do you live in Texas??? LeftInTX Thursday #48
My husband and I will be voting YES! beaglelover Thursday #23
As in turn the other cheek? xuplate Thursday #24
I got the mailer... Mike Nelson Thursday #27
I wish I didn't HAVE TO vote Yes. Iggo Thursday #31
Why are they making any statement about this at all? Iris Thursday #28
They didn't. The mailer is fake wrt LWV. Ocelot II Thursday #54
Wow! Thanks! Iris Friday #58
Because they were some of the original backers of the commission FBaggins Friday #60
Fairness? In the middle of a crisis? THIS crisis? Iggo Thursday #29
A number of nonpartisan organizations markodochartaigh Thursday #32
They don't have to be partisan to support democracy, if they don't approve this there won't be Bev54 Thursday #33
Just donated to Newsom redistricting effort - WTF League of Women Voters - WTF??? NoMoreRepugs Thursday #36
Totally agree with OP. Can folks withdraw their... RiverStone Thursday #38
LWV bromeando Thursday #39
The League of Women Voters lost ALL credibility long ago. Haggis 4 Breakfast Thursday #40
Their full statement is an insult to the intelligence of California voters. chowder66 Thursday #41
sorry to hear that. barbtries Thursday #42
im voting yes. AllaN01Bear Thursday #43
IOW, the MAGAts pitched a snot slinging fit when they met Warpy Thursday #44
Fairness? FAIRNESS?? EndlessWire Thursday #50
The statement in the mailer that the LWV is part of the opposition coalition is false. Ocelot II Thursday #51
That is weird because an editorial in the Sacramento Bee identified the LWV, plus when I got the flyer this lostincalifornia Thursday #55
LWVC is not being entirely truthful llamahunter Saturday #62
Voting yes IS voting for Fairness SSJVegeta Friday #57
Does anybody hildegaard28 Friday #59
Gloria Chun Hoo's on First red dog 1 Monday #63

lostincalifornia

(4,236 posts)
2. Good, so am I, and I hope most California voters aren't folled by this nonesense of "fairness". That went out the
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 02:37 PM
Thursday

door with trump.


dem4decades

(13,128 posts)
3. Didn't Trump tell the League of Woman Voters to shove their debates up their ass?
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 02:41 PM
Thursday

Did they learn nothing?

Justice matters.

(8,796 posts)
34. Sacramento... I am sure they have right-wing members.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 05:08 PM
Thursday

The CEO doesn't want to lose their contributions...

Follow the money, again and again and again,

ef them.

JustAnotherGen

(36,741 posts)
4. They are status quo thinkers
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 03:12 PM
Thursday

They think if we say eebie jeebie and take it back - that this all goes away.

This is not a time to play nice.

The rules don't apply anymore folks.

Hornedfrog2000

(805 posts)
16. We are ALL fucked if we dont stop them
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 04:32 PM
Thursday

Gay, minority, women, children, seniors, poor, etc. Etc. Etc.

This is bigger than any one group of people. They will literally start killing us. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs pushed to the side because they havent been paying attention.

PSPS

(14,840 posts)
5. And (some) people still wonder why democrats have been losing so many registered voters.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 03:27 PM
Thursday

From yesterday's NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/20/us/politics/democratic-party-voter-registration-crisis.html

The Democratic Party is hemorrhaging voters long before they even go to the polls.

Of the 30 states that track voter registration by political party, Democrats lost ground to Republicans in every single one between the 2020 and 2024 elections — and often by a lot.

That four-year swing toward the Republicans adds up to 4.5 million voters, a deep political hole that could take years for Democrats to climb out from.

SouthBayDem

(32,893 posts)
37. So the decline in registered Democrats from 2020-24
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 05:16 PM
Thursday

is because of the League of Women Voters opposing a bill passed by Democrats in 2025?

Am I on F**e R******c or something?

Ritabert

(1,563 posts)
6. Does anybody care about their opinion on anything?
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 03:45 PM
Thursday

We're fighting for democracy here. Screw "fairness".

Ursus Rex

(424 posts)
8. Naive and ignorant at best.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 03:52 PM
Thursday

Malicious and anti-democrat is the next stage. The time for theory and idealism at all costs is not now.

ananda

(32,887 posts)
9. So what? Are they all ladies who lunch now?
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 03:54 PM
Thursday

I joined LWV as soon I was eligible to vote.
They put me to work at polling sites and it was fun.

Zambero

(9,875 posts)
10. They should have checked with Texas first
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 04:13 PM
Thursday

Texas is pedal to the metal with their gerrymandering scheme, without voter approval. Hopefully, LWV will flood Texas mailboxes as well, advising voters that the concept of "fairness" does no longer matters there.

LeftInTX

(33,233 posts)
46. They vehemently oppose Texas gerrymandering!
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 06:28 PM
Thursday




Tell Texas Lawmakers: Don’t Mess with Our Democracy!



The Texas Legislature is rushing through a flawed, mid-decade redistricting process, without new census data, transparency, or meaningful public input.



As part of theFair Maps Texas Coalition, the League of Women Voters of Texas is standing up against this power grab.



Last week, more than 3,000 Texans testified at redistricting hearings across the state, and over 4,000 public comments were submitted. Clickhereto view the testimony given by LWV Texas at the hearing in Austin. The message was loud and clear: the process is broken,and many believe it's being rigged on purpose..



On Wednesday, lawmakers released a new congressional map thst is gerrymandered, discriminatory, and drafted in secret. Now, they're rushing it through committee, leaving voters little time to review or respond before it's finalized.



Here’s what’s wrong:

Racial gerrymandering is being used to silence communities of color.
Hearings are announced with minimal notice.
Proposed maps are released just hours before public testimony.
Private D.C. lawyers are advising lawmakers behind closed doors.


We deserve better. Texas deserves better.



Join the League of Women Voters of Texas in demanding a fair, transparent redistricting process that serves all Texans, not just political insiders!



📣 Make your voice heard! Make it count.


https://www.lwvtexas.org/content.aspx?page_id=5&club_id=979482&item_id=122348gsc.tab=0

Grins

(8,768 posts)
13. And the League of Women Voters - IN TEXAS - said what?
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 04:25 PM
Thursday

She should have called for independent 3rd party drawing voting district maps - in all 50 states!

There are several universities and privacy companies that can do that.

markodochartaigh

(3,722 posts)
30. That is a very good point.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 05:00 PM
Thursday

There are League of Women Voters in every state. What do they say in Texas? Have they put out a statement. Are they just being suppressed by Texas' reich-wing media?

Maybe they could do a joint press conference with their California colleagues. They better do it quickly though, if the Republicans have their way any disloyal, "both sides", groups may be disbanded.

LeftInTX

(33,233 posts)
47. They vehemently oppose the Texas gerrymandering.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 06:30 PM
Thursday

Greetings!



Tell Texas Lawmakers: Don’t Mess with Our Democracy!



The Texas Legislature is rushing through a flawed, mid-decade redistricting process, without new census data, transparency, or meaningful public input.



As part of theFair Maps Texas Coalition, the League of Women Voters of Texas is standing up against this power grab.



Last week, more than 3,000 Texans testified at redistricting hearings across the state, and over 4,000 public comments were submitted. Clickhereto view the testimony given by LWV Texas at the hearing in Austin. The message was loud and clear: the process is broken,and many believe it's being rigged on purpose..



On Wednesday, lawmakers released a new congressional map thst is gerrymandered, discriminatory, and drafted in secret. Now, they're rushing it through committee, leaving voters little time to review or respond before it's finalized.



Here’s what’s wrong:

Racial gerrymandering is being used to silence communities of color.
Hearings are announced with minimal notice.
Proposed maps are released just hours before public testimony.
Private D.C. lawyers are advising lawmakers behind closed doors.


We deserve better. Texas deserves better.



Join the League of Women Voters of Texas in demanding a fair, transparent redistricting process that serves all Texans, not just political insiders!



📣 Make your voice heard! Make it count.

____

They paired with groups like MoveOn, Common Cause etc etc....
Of course the Texas legislature ignored them.






https://www.lwvtexas.org/content.aspx?page_id=5&club_id=979482&item_id=122348gsc.tab=0

newdeal2

(3,712 posts)
18. I guess we will see what their relevance is
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 04:34 PM
Thursday

I get the “principled” stance but these are not normal times and we must adapt to today’s challenges.

We absolutely must take back the House, maybe the Senate, if we want any chance at beating Trump.

haele

(14,519 posts)
19. I met a few California League of Women's Voters members...
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 04:36 PM
Thursday

When I was invited to a Women's Empowerment afternoon tea with my stepdaughter's GMI - as I was a professional woman who worked for the government.
Me in a room full of boutique shop businesswomen, financial advisors, and Realtors...

She, having grown up in La Jolla, (yes, ma'am, I live in San Diego, also ..) was trying to size out my daughter's background and social acceptability prospects, hoping her grandson was going to have better luck catching a properly raised man-baby caretaker than her son did with his choice.

Did I mention they were all die-hard Mega-Church Republicans?

B.See

(6,258 posts)
21. Whenever any political organization
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 04:38 PM
Thursday

betrays the TRUST via willful ignorance, indifference, or misguided, ill-advised temerity,

then it's time to KICK THEM TO THE CURB, and forever discount them as anything of legitimacy.

(in short: fuck them)

ancianita

(41,465 posts)
26. Amen! I don't know what's gotten into them, but they seriously need to learn from women voters
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 04:52 PM
Thursday

what's in women's best interests.

maxrandb

(16,762 posts)
22. Have they shown up to fucking protest at the Texas state Capitol?
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 04:40 PM
Thursday

No?

Didn't think so.

Apparently, some Germans tried to be "bipartisan" with the nazis. How'd that work out?

Mike Nelson

(10,711 posts)
27. I got the mailer...
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 04:54 PM
Thursday

... but I will be voting YES. I do wish I could vote no, but I can no longer support the independent commissions.

FBaggins

(28,392 posts)
60. Because they were some of the original backers of the commission
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 08:25 AM
Friday

They pushed hard to remove redistricting from the legislature.

Common Cause was also a key supporter. They seem to be having more trouble deciding how to respond to recent events.

markodochartaigh

(3,722 posts)
32. A number of nonpartisan organizations
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 05:05 PM
Thursday

have been infiltrated by Republicans. They keep the bipartisan, or nonpartisan, label but become Republican machines. Sort of like insects being parasitized.

Bev54

(12,777 posts)
33. They don't have to be partisan to support democracy, if they don't approve this there won't be
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 05:07 PM
Thursday

a chance at getting democracy back. Time for a competing women's group!

RiverStone

(7,270 posts)
38. Totally agree with OP. Can folks withdraw their...
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 05:21 PM
Thursday

...membership in TLOWV?

Perhaps this is just one person's opinion, tho if there's a board of directors that approved of this BS, members should withdraw their support.

Haggis 4 Breakfast

(1,486 posts)
40. The League of Women Voters lost ALL credibility long ago.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 05:26 PM
Thursday

When they became just another megaphone for maga.

chowder66

(11,156 posts)
41. Their full statement is an insult to the intelligence of California voters.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 05:26 PM
Thursday

I get the "principle" but principles won't matter if we are being crushed by an administration that has no real oversight from the Republicans.

barbtries

(30,679 posts)
42. sorry to hear that.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 05:27 PM
Thursday

i wasn't aware that the League of Women Voters had become an organization of magats.

Warpy

(113,863 posts)
44. IOW, the MAGAts pitched a snot slinging fit when they met
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 05:43 PM
Thursday

There is no "fairness" to any of this. Abbott and his courtiers are f;at out cheating and these nervous ladies are apparently blind to that fact. The only way to counter a cheater or anyone who wants something at your expense is to let him know that you know what's going on as you tilt things the other way so that his efforts are wasted. Then you let him know he can be hurt, too. That last part usually takes care of him. That's how it's worked for me, anyway.

Perhaps maundering about fairness has its place in normal times, but these times are not normal. Until they are, the LWV has just declared itself irrelevant and I find that very sad.

EndlessWire

(8,065 posts)
50. Fairness? FAIRNESS??
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 10:55 PM
Thursday

I thought that Texas was redistricting when they weren't supposed to? And then, when Texas Dems vamoosed out of state, they tried to ARREST them? And then, when they returned, they put them basically on house arrest, totally illegal?

We're in this fight to win it. Repubs just lost in Court. We're going to vote YES, and we're going to win! And, all Abbott gets for his trouble is a lawsuit!

We're in a cold war. We have to vote for a pathway back to sane government. Fascists can go to hell!

Just put the flyer in your bathroom for a discretionary emergency. And, that was another waste of money. Nonpartisan, my ass.

lostincalifornia

(4,236 posts)
55. That is weird because an editorial in the Sacramento Bee identified the LWV, plus when I got the flyer this
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 11:09 PM
Thursday

morning I went to the LWV website and they had a splash screen saying to vote no against the redistricting.

and who is this Gloria Chun Hoo?

"Don’t upend fairness: Say no to mid-cycle redistricting in California | Opinion By Gloria Chun Hoo Special to The Sacramento Bee"

Read more at: https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/op-ed/article311506653.html#storylink=cpy

https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/op-ed/article311506653.html

Either someone hacked their website, and falsely falsely presented themselves as the president of the LWV, or some real weird dirty trick.

They need to do more than just put a screen up saying they weren't behind it, they need to sue someone's ass, and go to the media and get it reported.

llamahunter

(1 post)
62. LWVC is not being entirely truthful
Sat Aug 23, 2025, 01:29 PM
Saturday

They may not be part of this _one_ particular mailer campaign, but they ARE on board with the GOP effort to prevent a California response to the Texas power grab. They seem content to let the Republicans game the system to retain control of congress in 2026 despite the will of the voters.

https://lwvc.org/opposition-mid-cycle-redistricting/

https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/op-ed/article311506653.html

They need to get their priorities straight.

hildegaard28

(750 posts)
59. Does anybody
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 04:56 AM
Friday

Vote based on what some organization says(other than Evangelical morons)? I can’t imagine anyone would do that if they aren’t completely brainwashed by that organization.

red dog 1

(31,735 posts)
63. Gloria Chun Hoo's on First
Mon Aug 25, 2025, 06:39 PM
Monday

WTF is on second.

The CA Redistricting Bill will be voted on this November, and it's a "partisan issue."

Since The League of Women Voters is a non-partisan organization, WTF is Hoo doing commenting on a partisan issue?


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