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https://www.972mag.com/israeli-intelligence-database-83-percent-civilians-militants/
Figures obtained from the classified database which records the deaths of militants from Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) contradict by a huge margin the public statements of Israeli army and government officials throughout the war, which have generally claimed a 1:1 or 2:1 ratio of civilian to militant casualties. Instead, the classified data backs up the findings of several studies suggesting Israels bombardment of Gaza has killed civilians at a rate with few parallels in modern warfare.
The Israeli army confirmed the existence of the database, which is managed by the Military Intelligence Directorate (known by the Hebrew acronym Aman). Multiple intelligence sources familiar with the database said the army views it as the only authoritative tally of militant casualty figures. In the words of one of them: Theres no other place to check.
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The overall death tolls published daily by the Gaza Health Ministry (which Local Call revealed last year are considered reliable even by the Israeli military) do not distinguish between civilians and militants. But taking the militant casualty figures obtained from the internal Israeli army database in May and lining them up against the Health Ministrys total death toll, it is possible to calculate an approximate civilian casualty ratio for the war up until three months ago, when the death toll stood at 53,000.

Dave Bowman
(5,712 posts)Ping Tung
(3,437 posts)How dare the ICC challenge war criminals who are pals with Trump?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/20/trump-rubio-international-criminal-court-sanctions
The Trump administration has ramped up its efforts to hobble the international criminal court in what the ICC has denounced as a flagrant attack against the independence of an impartial judicial institution.
The US state department on Wednesday announced new sanctions on four ICC officials, including two judges and two prosecutors, saying they had been instrumental in efforts to prosecute Americans and Israelis. As a result of the sanctions, any assets that the targets hold in US jurisdictions are frozen.
The sanctions were immediately denounced by both the ICC and the United Nations, while Israel welcomed the move announced by the secretary of state, Marco Rubio.
It is just the latest in a series of steps the Trump administration has taken against the Hague-based court, the worlds first international war crimes tribunal. The US, which is not a member of the court, has already imposed penalties on the ICCs former chief prosecutor, Karim Khan, who stepped aside in May pending an investigation into allegations of sexual misconduct, and four other tribunal judges.
AloeVera
(3,640 posts)The ratio of civilians among the dead in Gaza was more comparable to recent wars in Sudan, Yemen, Uganda and Syria, where much of the violence had been directed against civilians, she said. These are wars where the armed groups tend to avoid battle. They dont want to fight each other, they want to control territory and they do that by killing civilians,.
Maybe that is the same with Israel, and this is a model of war [in Gaza] that is about dominating a population and controlling land. Maybe the objective always was forced displacement.
Bolding mine.
Geez, 'ya think?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2025/aug/21/revealed-israeli-militarys-own-data-indicates-civilian-death-rate-of-83-in-gaza-war
malaise
(288,288 posts)Rec
elias7
(4,226 posts)The intelligence database reports 8,900 Hamas militants killed; they do not report the data on how many civilians dead. Instead, the very left wing 972mag creates the 83% number based on the total dead reported by Hamas (the Gaza Health Ministry). And we know terrorist organizations using humans-as-sacrifice strategy to drive international opinion would never public lie...
LexVegas
(6,911 posts)AloeVera
(3,640 posts)"They characterized these databases, as a source, and asked whether it can be trusted or not. The conclusion is that overall, yes," the source said. "We assume that there is a gap between the data and reality and that it is possible that they are manipulating, but they checked, and it is reliable. They also saw that in previous rounds the reports from the Ministry of Health in Gaza were reliable. And also, we have no other source.
https://www.mekomit.co.il/%D7%94%D7%A6%D7%91%D7%90-%D7%91%D7%93%D7%A7-%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%A6%D7%90-%D7%A9%D7%93%D7%99%D7%95%D7%95%D7%97%D7%99-%D7%94%D7%94%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%92%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%91%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%93-%D7%94%D7%91/
Of course it would be found to be reliable. It provides ID numbers that Israel can verify, being the issuer of those numbers.
If anything, it's a vast undercount. Only those that make it to hospitals AND can be matched with ID numbers, are counted.
We will eventually find out that tens of thousands of civilians - maybe more - are "missing". Only their neighbours and families who buried them - and the legions of Israeli bulldozer operators - know what happened to them.
AloeVera
(3,640 posts)Every one on the list of dead is identified by name, age and ID number. In fact, experts are saying it is a vast undercount BECAUSE only the dead taken to hospitals and FULLY identified are being recorded. Some have suggested the real count is at least 3 times higher.
Not counted are the tens of thousands still under rubble, or bulldozed under by the Israeli bulldozer contractors, those sniped/ shelled/droned on the street and buried on the spot (if lucky) because most local hospitals are closed or are located in active war zones. .. And those that died in their tents from starvation or preventable or contagious diseases due to lack of medical care, clean water, far from operating hospitals.
Can you think about the scale of senseless but deliberately-inflicted human suffering - all enabled by that vile and abominable "human shields" bullshit?
We can see that it was all bullshit. Cynical, exploitative, and very convenient to cover the real aim, which was always the expansion of Israel using massacres and ethnic cleansing. Just like in the Nakba
Ping Tung
(3,437 posts)Albert Einstein
AloeVera
(3,640 posts)In a manipulation of international law.
No, it's even worse. Every civilian indiscriminately killed is retroactively, posthumously and cynically labelled a "human shield". Even in death, Palestinians are pawns in a cruel game manufactured by their killers.
Just like civilians killed in "kill zones", who are posthumously "elevated" to the rank of Hamas.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2025/aug/21/revealed-israeli-militarys-own-data-indicates-civilian-death-rate-of-83-in-gaza-war
Either way, Palestinians are conveniently dead.
Ping Tung
(3,437 posts)When I was in the marines, we were advised to consider our potential victims as targets rather than humans.
AloeVera
(3,640 posts)So we fight each other instead of threats to our survival, like climate change or the chokehold of the oligarchs and capitalists condemning billions to poverty and an early, painful death. And they fight and die to maintain that unjust status quo.
I hope you, Ping Tung, have healed from your experience. It seems like you have seen the light... What an enlightening - but terrible - journey that must have been!
Hassin Bin Sober
(27,218 posts)I see old Albert had the same idea.
Fucking brain stems.
Wounded Bear
(62,786 posts)H2O Man
(77,762 posts)Recommended.
I wish that the UN would send real peace-keepers into both Gaza and the West Bank, and remove all Israeli troops and "settlers." There is no reason for not reaching a two state solution. And reaching that goal is the only path to ending the violence.
Rob H.
(5,703 posts)NO. WAY.
malaise
(288,288 posts)Rec