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dalton99a

(89,911 posts)
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 09:29 AM Aug 21

Is empathy a sin? Some conservative Christians argue it can be

https://apnews.com/article/conservative-christians-sin-of-toxic-empathy-c9ab96faf99605e010f487df61d92d8f

Is empathy a sin? Some conservative Christians argue it can be
By TIFFANY STANLEY
Updated 6:16 AM CDT, August 21, 2025

WASHINGTON (AP) — Empathy is usually regarded as a virtue, a key to human decency and kindness. And yet, with increasing momentum, voices on the Christian right are preaching that it has become a vice.

For them, empathy is a cudgel for the left: It can manipulate caring people into accepting all manner of sins according to a conservative Christian perspective, including abortion access, LGBTQ+ rights, illegal immigration and certain views on social and racial justice.

“Empathy becomes toxic when it encourages you to affirm sin, validate lies or support destructive policies,” said Allie Beth Stuckey, author of “Toxic Empathy: How Progressives Exploit Christian Compassion.”

Stuckey, host of the popular podcast “Relatable,” is one of two evangelicals who published books within the past year making Christian arguments against some forms of empathy.

The other is Joe Rigney, a professor and pastor who wrote “The Sin of Empathy: Compassion and its Counterfeits.” It was published by Canon Press, an affiliate of Rigney’s conservative denomination, which counts Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth among its members.

These anti-empathy arguments gained traction in the early months of President Donald Trump’s second term, with his flurry of executive orders that critics denounced as lacking empathy.

As foreign aid stopped and more deportations began, Trump’s then-adviser Elon Musk told podcaster Joe Rogan: “The fundamental weakness of Western civilization is empathy.”

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Because Jesus said: "It is fun to make them suffer and kill them"

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Is empathy a sin? Some conservative Christians argue it can be (Original Post) dalton99a Aug 21 OP
Conservative christians only feel empathy for their own kind. sop Aug 21 #1
They care only about money. yardwork Aug 21 #18
Their god is Power. markodochartaigh Aug 21 #30
Yep LeftInTX Aug 21 #59
Agreed - All of the above. The right wing christians are all presumptuous assholes. flashman13 Aug 21 #92
Herrenvolk Empathy... Bourgeois Liberal Aug 21 #48
Stop calling them 'conservative' Oeditpus Rex Aug 21 #68
RADICAL right-wingers. nt eppur_se_muova Aug 22 #96
No they don't radicalleft Aug 21 #73
Jesus wept Walleye Aug 21 #2
You beat me to it! Moostache Aug 21 #33
Once they start judging people, accurately or not, the Christian right can be brutal bucolic_frolic Aug 21 #3
+1. The French didn't decapitate their monarchy sooner because of the church dalton99a Aug 21 #8
I wish Jesus would come back and kick their ass! Chasstev365 Aug 21 #4
They'd grab Just Jerome Aug 21 #13
They'd beat him with loaves and fishes Oeditpus Rex Aug 21 #72
Dostoevskey had this nailed in "The Grand Inquisitor" (within "The Brothers Karamozov)... Moostache Aug 21 #34
Aside, what character in *Slaugterhouse-Five* Oeditpus Rex Aug 21 #70
I am not sure... Moostache Aug 21 #77
Satan (r) is loving this BoRaGard Aug 21 #5
Satan (R) murielm99 Aug 21 #43
of course BoRaGard Aug 21 #47
That is some very twisted and dispicable thinking. Biophilic Aug 21 #6
There is already a deep division BWdem4life Aug 21 #27
Last time they did, it was the bloodiest European war until the 20th century DBoon Aug 21 #67
Exactly. Religious wars are not gentle. They are fighting to see who will get to heaven. Biophilic Aug 21 #74
I've often wished Oeditpus Rex Aug 21 #75
And they're "Christians" . . . .. why? hatrack Aug 21 #7
Exactly! These are NOT Christians, they are Satan's minions. HeartsCanHope Aug 21 #25
They believe they'll go to heaven as long as they have faith in Jesus, period. thought crime Aug 21 #49
Ocelot II actually posted it before I did. I didn't notice because I replied to someone else. HeartsCanHope Aug 21 #90
They're devout followers of GOP Jesus William Seger Aug 21 #38
Because they want to belong to the sect with the most secular power muriel_volestrangler Aug 21 #61
Unempathetic Jesus would punch these clowns C_U_L8R Aug 21 #9
These asshats are not Christians, they are heretics. FalloutShelter Aug 21 #10
What religion are we talking about again? librechik Aug 21 #11
Yep. Matthew 25:31-45. Ocelot II Aug 21 #12
It's really quite clear and straightforward. IMO. yardwork Aug 21 #19
That's NOT what raptor-riding, dual machine gun-wielding Jesus says! (n/t) Moostache Aug 21 #37
Great minds think alike! HeartsCanHope Aug 21 #40
Well, Jesus never ask for no empathy when he was on the cross. 3Hotdogs Aug 21 #14
When you're dying (of something that can be cured) you don't need empathy BWdem4life Aug 21 #29
I sure have no empathy for them. Guess I better be ready to sweat ..... FF!!! ;) n/t Cheezoholic Aug 21 #15
These types of christians have no compassion. You must welcome empathy to have compassion. Clouds Passing Aug 21 #16
She's a political strategist, doing her rightwing political strategy thing struggle4progress Aug 21 #17
Nope. Lack of empathy is lack of love for your neighbor. Because of these lies they are anti-Christ-ian. ancianita Aug 21 #20
If they are so concerned with sin why do they support Trump ? JI7 Aug 21 #21
Today is August 21, 2025. WTFFFFF twodogsbarking Aug 21 #22
Empathy is no sin EnergizedLib Aug 21 #23
i have very little use for religion. barbtries Aug 21 #24
This is a sick position LetMyPeopleVote Aug 21 #26
Well, they are definitely cons, but christian they ain't. mwmisses4289 Aug 21 #28
I've continued sending money to my Christian church, Ilsa Aug 21 #31
Empathy is a "sin" to a narcissist because they are fundamentally incapable of it. milestogo Aug 21 #32
Orwellian BS tryharder Aug 21 #35
these 'christians' are not pfitz59 Aug 21 #36
That's like saying a cop who commits a crime isn't really a cop. Iggo Aug 21 #82
Empathy is an expression of love. It's never a sin. patphil Aug 21 #39
These malignant monsters... GiqueCee Aug 21 #41
Jesus gave 2 commandments...love God and love your neighbor. Everything else is above your pay grade JT45242 Aug 21 #42
Exactly, well put! Ksout Aug 21 #56
Ask them if they have read the words multigraincracker Aug 21 #44
Doesn't seem to be much Christ in their Christianity JHB Aug 21 #45
The biggest farce ironman_25 Aug 21 #46
Oh fu*k them Figarosmom Aug 21 #50
It mirrors the economists who say altruism is evil. thought crime Aug 21 #51
As a Christian, their thinking is absolute bullshit. hamsterjill Aug 21 #52
There are two major types of Christians... Christians of faith and political Christians. Norrrm Aug 21 #53
The graphic omits "f*cks children" durablend Aug 21 #65
Christians of faith? czarjak Aug 21 #93
"Softness is not weakness. It takes courage to stay delicate in a world this cruel." ― Beau Taplin twodogsbarking Aug 21 #54
I've thought for many years that the "church" has nothing in common with what Christ is supposed to have BComplex Aug 21 #55
Of course they think that way. They accuse Democrats of being "Godless" because we have empathy. LeftInTX Aug 21 #57
They NEED it to be a sin. Iggo Aug 21 #58
Then some Christians need to read he words of Jesus Warpy Aug 21 #60
Sin is just a tool cltap Aug 21 #62
Welcome to DU LetMyPeopleVote Aug 21 #80
A worthy first post. 3catwoman3 Aug 21 #89
I bet she'd favor empathy if struggle4progress Aug 21 #63
Who??? Grins Aug 21 #64
Define 'sin' Oeditpus Rex Aug 21 #66
"Christian compassion", does that even exist? sinkingfeeling Aug 21 #69
It does and we know it bc not all christians are the same. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 21 #76
And how does that differ from "compassion" without the Christianity? sinkingfeeling Aug 21 #81
Very little, of course. Everything an organized religion can accomplish, can be done as or more effectively other ways.n Bernardo de La Paz Aug 21 #85
This is just one reason why I despise all religions. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 21 #71
That is why I sharply question organized religion in particular tornado34jh Aug 21 #78
Is hatred a virtue? Some conservative Christians argue it can be DBoon Aug 21 #79
They aren't conservative or christian Nigrum Cattus Aug 21 #83
Brings to mind this article. Wednesdays Aug 21 #84
Pretzel Logic spanone Aug 21 #86
Christians are now sociopaths. Irish_Dem Aug 21 #87
Fuck them, their warped thinking, and the horse they rode in on. Solly Mack Aug 21 #88
Musk is a disgusting excuse for a human. Joinfortmill Aug 21 #91
I HATE it that they call themselves Christians therefore making that what we all call them. summer_in_TX Aug 22 #94
The enemy of empathy is sociopathy. valleyrogue Aug 22 #95

yardwork

(67,779 posts)
18. They care only about money.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 10:42 AM
Aug 21

They've rewritten their own gospel to say the opposite of Jesus's teachings. For them, money is good, rich people are blessed, and the poor are pests. Tolerance and love for others is a sin.

It's literally the opposite of Jesus's teachings.

flashman13

(1,488 posts)
92. Agreed - All of the above. The right wing christians are all presumptuous assholes.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 07:27 PM
Aug 21

They read (the parts they like) one book in their entire life and they presume to tell you that they know what the lord high holy omnipotent master of the universe is thinking, and what (he, she, it, whatever) wants. They also will tell you that after reading this one book they are ready and entitled to run the planet. That is some serious hutzbah!

Oeditpus Rex

(42,513 posts)
68. Stop calling them 'conservative'
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 12:55 PM
Aug 21

That's what they want to be called and that's how they see themselves, but they're no more "conservative" than my butt is green.

They 're right-wingers.

radicalleft

(539 posts)
73. No they don't
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 01:17 PM
Aug 21

They care as far as their own front porch...anything beyond that is merely lip service so they look good in the public eye.

Walleye

(42,127 posts)
2. Jesus wept
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 09:39 AM
Aug 21

“affirm sin, validate lies or support destructive policies,” Trumpers do this all the time. without being burdened by empathy. Anybody who’s not a rabid Trumper is “the left“

Moostache

(10,741 posts)
33. You beat me to it!
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 11:18 AM
Aug 21

There is no "Christ" in whatever the fuck the GOP is marketing as "Christian nationalism". It is a sick joke.

bucolic_frolic

(52,097 posts)
3. Once they start judging people, accurately or not, the Christian right can be brutal
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 09:39 AM
Aug 21

But, Catholicism slipped easily into the Spanish Inquisition, and some subsets - the Jesuits - were no shrinking violets. Suffering and punishment were responses to the Black Death. Salvation through suffering is a way of life for some of these people.

dalton99a

(89,911 posts)
8. +1. The French didn't decapitate their monarchy sooner because of the church
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 09:47 AM
Aug 21



"Obey your king. Your reward is in heaven."







Chasstev365

(6,074 posts)
4. I wish Jesus would come back and kick their ass!
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 09:40 AM
Aug 21

However, if he did the "Christian" right would be the first ones to call for his crucifixion

Oeditpus Rex

(42,513 posts)
72. They'd beat him with loaves and fishes
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 01:16 PM
Aug 21

(the latter as in Monty Python's Flying Circus), screaming, "What is this dreck?! We want prime rib and good wine! You can manage the wine, can't you?"

Moostache

(10,741 posts)
34. Dostoevskey had this nailed in "The Grand Inquisitor" (within "The Brothers Karamozov)...
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 11:23 AM
Aug 21

The autorities of religion (and now in religopolitik) want one thing and one thing only - OBEDIENCE. They want power too, but they really have no aims to use that power beyond extending their hold on more power, but to do that they need obedient drones to boss around and to use as a weapon against that which would displace them - the truth and knowledge.

Dostoevskey's inquisitor explains to the returned Christ that He is not needed for the church's plans, that He had his chance and chose to give man free will instead of order and rules and that the Church had 'fixed' this error. Today's religopolitks are replete with this notion - they alone have a right to rule and no one should EVER deign to challenge that.

Fuck them all. Hard.

Oeditpus Rex

(42,513 posts)
70. Aside, what character in *Slaugterhouse-Five*
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 01:07 PM
Aug 21

said everything worth knowing was in The Brothers Karamazov, "But that isn't enough anymore"? Was it Eliot Rosewater? (It's been at least 40 years since I last read it.)

Moostache

(10,741 posts)
77. I am not sure...
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 01:36 PM
Aug 21

It was a while ago that I read Slaughterhouse Five too... too long but things just seem to get away from me more these days!

Biophilic

(6,017 posts)
6. That is some very twisted and dispicable thinking.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 09:45 AM
Aug 21

Do they realize that eventually they will turn on each other?

BWdem4life

(2,662 posts)
27. There is already a deep division
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 11:07 AM
Aug 21

My aunt has always been a devout Catholic, but wants nothing to do with tRump or his followers. Pretty sure she has been voting Democratic recently.

DBoon

(24,175 posts)
67. Last time they did, it was the bloodiest European war until the 20th century
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 12:52 PM
Aug 21

Look up The 30 Years War.

Biophilic

(6,017 posts)
74. Exactly. Religious wars are not gentle. They are fighting to see who will get to heaven.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 01:19 PM
Aug 21

The hate runs deep in religious wars. No mercy for anyone.

Oeditpus Rex

(42,513 posts)
75. I've often wished
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 01:25 PM
Aug 21

we could send them all to some remote, inescapable island. They'd turn on each other much faster until there was no one left but one survivor. And what would he/she do then?

HeartsCanHope

(1,262 posts)
25. Exactly! These are NOT Christians, they are Satan's minions.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 10:58 AM
Aug 21

These so called Christians better start reading that $60.00 Bible that the melon Antichrist conned them into buying! I think they'll find in Matthew 25, verses 31-46, that whatever they did NOT do to help the "least of these brothers and sisters of mine", will keep them out of Heaven! Those that don't feed the hungry, give water to the thirsty, WELCOME THE STRANGER (foreigner,) give the needy clothing, comfort the sick, and visit those in prison--they "will go to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life." What good does it do for them to be Christians if they don't follow Christ's teachings!

thought crime

(722 posts)
49. They believe they'll go to heaven as long as they have faith in Jesus, period.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 12:03 PM
Aug 21

Faith is the one way ticket to paradise and nothing else matters, because "we are all sinners".

I've heard this over and over even while trying hard not to pay attention to those people. But thanks for that Bible reference.

HeartsCanHope

(1,262 posts)
90. Ocelot II actually posted it before I did. I didn't notice because I replied to someone else.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 03:59 PM
Aug 21

So Ocelot II was the original poster of the Bible reference.

muriel_volestrangler

(104,449 posts)
61. Because they want to belong to the sect with the most secular power
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 12:31 PM
Aug 21

If they were in Iran or Saudi Arabia, they'd be fundamentalist Muslims enforcing clothing laws on women with violent penalties. In Stalin's regime, they'd had been atheists joyfully persecuting Christians. In India, they'd be radical Hindus, attacking Muslims, and urging Modi even further to the right. In Israel, they'd be ultra-Orthodox Jews advocating the ethnic cleansing of Gaza, and settlements in the West Bank that steal land from Palestinians. In North Korea, they'd be leading the cult of worship of the Kims. And so on.

C_U_L8R

(47,943 posts)
9. Unempathetic Jesus would punch these clowns
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 09:52 AM
Aug 21

But their eternal damnation is simply being them. What a despicable existence.

librechik

(30,894 posts)
11. What religion are we talking about again?
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 10:01 AM
Aug 21

The scholars are way off on this. Isn't Jesus' motto along the lines of wherever you see a poor or sick person we need to think it is Jesus himself and help as if that person were a child of God? Did I get Sunday School wrong?

Ocelot II

(126,794 posts)
12. Yep. Matthew 25:31-45.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 10:17 AM
Aug 21
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’


There doesn't seem to be much wiggle room: Show compassion to anyone who is hungry, thirsty, naked, sick, a stranger or in prison, with no exceptions, or you'll go to hell. Very straightforward, IMO.

HeartsCanHope

(1,262 posts)
40. Great minds think alike!
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 11:34 AM
Aug 21

I didn't read down far enough when I started reading the comments to find yours. I commented using the same scriptures to a post a little higher up. Your comments are exactly how I feel--if you say you follow Christ, then follow his teachings. You don't get to pick and choose or edit Christ's words! Great post!

BWdem4life

(2,662 posts)
29. When you're dying (of something that can be cured) you don't need empathy
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 11:10 AM
Aug 21

You need actual help.

struggle4progress

(124,173 posts)
17. She's a political strategist, doing her rightwing political strategy thing
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 10:37 AM
Aug 21

while pretending it's "Christianity"

ancianita

(41,505 posts)
20. Nope. Lack of empathy is lack of love for your neighbor. Because of these lies they are anti-Christ-ian.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 10:48 AM
Aug 21

The more they commit these sins of omission and, worst of all, Pride -- the deadliest sin of all -- the closer to hell they and their souls are.


Matthew 25:32-33, 41-46
32. And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33. And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left...

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

barbtries

(30,692 posts)
24. i have very little use for religion.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 10:56 AM
Aug 21

they do ritual well. that's all

using their religion to make people hate other people. crusades. indoctrination, discrimination, suffering and causing suffering.

#Atheist

they cannot even begin to change how i feel about empathy. I am empathic, not a true empath. I would not change it even if I could. fuck them.

Ilsa

(63,169 posts)
31. I've continued sending money to my Christian church,
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 11:12 AM
Aug 21

but these people on the right make me ashamed to be a Christian. Thank goodness my minister isn't one of them.

tryharder

(14 posts)
35. Orwellian BS
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 11:25 AM
Aug 21

The way I see it, this particular anti empathy BS is part of an Orwellian labeled fake Christian movement that calls itself “Real Christians”. That’s their newspeak for it. It might be just me, but I’ve noticed they rarely use the word Christianity as reference, esp. compared to terminology like “Real Christians” and/or “American Christians” “law-abiding Christians” “biblical Christians” (although the final one there might have a tiny .00 whatever percentage who aren’t rightwing/conservative, only a fraction at this point in USA) etc.

It’s fascism. I have a theory there are quite a few, but in modern, what used to be liberal capitalist USA there are two main flavors of God belief/faith in God.

Possibly genetic factors, but particularly trauma and/along with exposure to conservative isolation ends up hardwiring the image of God/godliness starting in the late teenage years and during and thru mid 20s with perfectionist discipline, self-control over childish interests and late adolescent (pubescent sexual) urges, and finally, revenge against those who refuse to “grow up” and see that order, control, worship of divine authority figure is the truth of God is a necessary “healthy obsession”.

I think this is such a strong effect at certain times in our society (or others- Germany 1930s) that it will build up until the conservative, religiously progressively misled people decide to basically ‘flip the switch’ on their own churches.

And it’s like, they subconsciously (or perhaps consciously and proudly for some) know that they’ve changed eras/phases. Terms like charity, forgiveness, welcoming the other typically associated with Christianity are left in their past while Christian Nationalism becomes the new religion, rewarding patriotic Christians (whatever that means that day), instead of valuing empathy or kindness.

As the fascist leader takes over for these foolish people, his crimes and those of his cohorts in business require destruction of the poor, hurting the marginalized for chaos, division, and to placate the most hateful who want that instead of policy.

Empathy becomes a “sin” and the “church” is willing to go along with it, because they’re so institutionally similar in the final stages.

Iggo

(49,113 posts)
82. That's like saying a cop who commits a crime isn't really a cop.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 01:48 PM
Aug 21

And that’s bullshit.

patphil

(8,187 posts)
39. Empathy is an expression of love. It's never a sin.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 11:33 AM
Aug 21

This is just a way some people justify their callous, loveless nature.
The radical religious right has no interest in following the teachings of Jesus, but they're all in on adhering to the antithesis of what He stood for.

GiqueCee

(2,751 posts)
41. These malignant monsters...
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 11:38 AM
Aug 21

... are the complete antithesis of everything they purport to represent. They are the very embodiment of pure, undiluted evil. They are a cancer that poisons the very soul of humanity. Do not... do NOT let such a vile and hateful belief system pervert all that is good and worthy about America. Only irredeemably rotten sociopaths can even think about subscribing to such malevolence. We're better than this.

JT45242

(3,584 posts)
42. Jesus gave 2 commandments...love God and love your neighbor. Everything else is above your pay grade
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 11:40 AM
Aug 21

If you are commanded to live...you must have empathy


Wanna go old testament. Micah 6:8 what does the Lord require of you? Do justice, live mercy, and walk humbly with your God.

These Christian nationalists are a heresy and do great harm to people who try to actually live those three statements.

They love pride, anger, and power.

Hypocrites that Jesus and the prophets would condemn.

multigraincracker

(36,166 posts)
44. Ask them if they have read the words
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 11:49 AM
Aug 21

attributed to Jesus, like the Beatitudes. If they say yes, tell them that would be a confession. Then tell them since they confessed, I can truly tell them. You Are Forgiven, Now Go And Sin No More.

ironman_25

(15 posts)
46. The biggest farce
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 11:56 AM
Aug 21

I was raised and attended an evangelical church the first 60 years of my life. It finally dawned on me they were more interested in walking the walk Fox] News subscribed to than what the bible teaches. Inside the church building they proclaim how we should look after our fellow man but when they exit the door for the parking lot it is like Jekyll and Hyde. How more immoral can you get than Trump yet they claim he was picked to be president by God. Case closed.

thought crime

(722 posts)
51. It mirrors the economists who say altruism is evil.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 12:10 PM
Aug 21

But one economist from way back said the under Capitalism, "All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned".

hamsterjill

(16,399 posts)
52. As a Christian, their thinking is absolute bullshit.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 12:12 PM
Aug 21

Jesus preached grace and mercy and love. We all fail every single day in those areas, but we STRIVE to do the best we can based on his teachings.

I choose to be a Christian and my faith is important to me. That does not mean (to me) that anyone else has to believe the same as I do. It's about having a choice. But when these crazies actually try to use scripture to justify their hatefulness, it becomes a little absurd.

Norrrm

(2,801 posts)
53. There are two major types of Christians... Christians of faith and political Christians.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 12:16 PM
Aug 21

The newer Messiah represents our current crop of Christians very well.

twodogsbarking

(15,285 posts)
54. "Softness is not weakness. It takes courage to stay delicate in a world this cruel." ― Beau Taplin
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 12:21 PM
Aug 21

Look him up if interested.

BComplex

(9,517 posts)
55. I've thought for many years that the "church" has nothing in common with what Christ is supposed to have
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 12:21 PM
Aug 21

taught. In fact, it seems more like their "devil" has infiltrated their teachings, their attitudes, and their churches.

LeftInTX

(33,282 posts)
57. Of course they think that way. They accuse Democrats of being "Godless" because we have empathy.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 12:24 PM
Aug 21

Look at the ayatollah. Same shit....

But you know what?
No more empathy from us for them.

Iggo

(49,113 posts)
58. They NEED it to be a sin.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 12:28 PM
Aug 21

You know, so it can cover for all the other stuff they do on a daily basis.

Warpy

(113,864 posts)
60. Then some Christians need to read he words of Jesus
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 12:31 PM
Aug 21

and follow him instead of that imperial Christ fella.

They could start making the world a better place instead of a worse one.

cltap

(2 posts)
62. Sin is just a tool
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 12:34 PM
Aug 21

Sin is just a tool they use to control people. It is a fiction based on nothing more than a lack of understanding of human nature and has been used for centuries to control, manipulate, and terrorize people into submission. Fuck all those people.

struggle4progress

(124,173 posts)
63. I bet she'd favor empathy if
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 12:35 PM
Aug 21

she found a sharp pencil jammed up her nose

It's just that she doesn't care about sharp pencils jammed up other people's noses

Grins

(8,781 posts)
64. Who???
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 12:36 PM
Aug 21
“Allie Beth Stuckey is an American conservative commentator whose podcast …is owned and distributed by Blaze Media. In 2017, she joined TheBlaze as a contributor and began appearing as a guest on Fox News and Fox Business News (Fox Business? Why?)”

Go it.

Oeditpus Rex

(42,513 posts)
66. Define 'sin'
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 12:43 PM
Aug 21

and justify its existence. Explain the reason(s) you think it must necessarily be.

(Them, not you.)

Bernardo de La Paz

(57,764 posts)
85. Very little, of course. Everything an organized religion can accomplish, can be done as or more effectively other ways.n
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 02:20 PM
Aug 21

PoindexterOglethorpe

(28,049 posts)
71. This is just one reason why I despise all religions.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 01:13 PM
Aug 21

At the end, each and every one says "This is the one and only one correct way to believe." Granted, some are more punishing of non-believers than are others, but they are all wrong.

tornado34jh

(1,500 posts)
78. That is why I sharply question organized religion in particular
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 01:37 PM
Aug 21

We all know religion is man-made, but some do it far worse than others, particularly those who want to force their religion on it. It's why wars were fought throughout time over it. That being said, while I sharply disagree with religion in general, last I checked, I don't recall hearing Native Americans forcing their religion onto others, but Christianity (and the Abrahamic religions for that matter) certainly have. To be honest, many of these so called "Christians" are no better than the other religions they criticize about.

DBoon

(24,175 posts)
79. Is hatred a virtue? Some conservative Christians argue it can be
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 01:38 PM
Aug 21

... as long as you hate the right people

Nigrum Cattus

(938 posts)
83. They aren't conservative or christian
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 01:59 PM
Aug 21

They are all RWRE's - right wing religious extremists
One of them was Timothy McVeigh who murdered 168 people
based on his beliefs.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/documents/mcveigh/

Wednesdays

(20,664 posts)
84. Brings to mind this article.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 02:02 PM
Aug 21
https://www.newsweek.com/evangelicals-rejecting-jesus-teachings-liberal-talking-points-pastor-1818706

An evangelical leader is warning that conservative Christians are now rejecting the teachings of Jesus as "liberal talking points."

Russell Moore, former top official for the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) who is now the editor-in-chief of Christianity Today, said during an interview aired on NPR's All Things Considered this week that Christianity is in a "crisis" due to the current state of right-wing politics.

Moore has found himself at odds with other evangelical leaders due to his frequent criticism of former President Donald Trump. He resigned his position with the SBC in 2021 following friction over his views on Trump and a sex abuse crisis among Southern Baptist clergy.

In his NPR interview, Moore suggested that Trump had transformed the political landscape in the U.S. to the point where some Christian conservatives are openly denouncing a central doctrine of their religion as being too "weak" and "liberal" for their liking.

summer_in_TX

(3,789 posts)
94. I HATE it that they call themselves Christians therefore making that what we all call them.
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 01:27 AM
Aug 22

They do not model themselves after Jesus, they create a false portrait of Jesus's teachings, defaming him and blaspheming, and they misuse the name for the purpose of power, money, and control. They fit the prophesy of Jesus who said: “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ (Matthew 7:21-23)

They may claim Christianity all they want, but by there fruits you will know them.

Are they spreading joy, peace, love, goodness, kindness, patience, gentleness, faithfulness, self-control?
Or do they (like Trump) spread joylessness / dissatisfaction, strife / discord, animosity / hatred, wickedness / corruption, intolerance / maliciousness, intractability /frustration, harshness / brutality, disloyalty / treachery, and instability / rashness?

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