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Tommy Carcetti

(44,156 posts)
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 08:29 AM Aug 21

BREAKING NEWS: Russia agrees to direct bilateral talks with former Ukrainian leader Yanukovych

Last edited Thu Aug 21, 2025, 09:08 AM - Edit history (1)

In what the White House has hailed as a “major breakthrough” in peace negotiations between Russia and Ukraine, Russian President Vladimir Putin has announced he has agreed to direct, one-on-one negotiations with the individual who they believe to be Ukraine’s “true and legitimate sovereign leader.”

That individual happens to be none other Viktor Yanukovych, the former Ukrainian President who left office in 2014 and fled to Russia after massive protests against him erupted throughout the country due to claims of his rampant corruption and subservience to Moscow’s heavy influence.

The Kremlin all but ruled out any chance that Putin would engage in any direct talks with Ukraine’s current president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

“Zelenskyy is the fruit of the poisonous tree,” Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said in a statement issued to the press. “He is the bastard child of Western powers who eleven years ago engaged in an illegal coup of Ukraine’s last true leadership and installed their own puppet to act in accordance with their own whims and desires.”

Zelenskyy was democratically elected Ukraine’s president in 2019, five years after the events of what has commonly been referred to as the Maidan Revolution took place. He succeeded Petro Poroshenko, who came to office in May 2014 in elections that were likewise deemed fair and democratic by international observers.

Yanukovych himself was elected in 2010, but soon fell into disfavor with the Ukrainian people after allegations of corruption swirled. During his time in office it is believed he and his allies may have pocketed up to $37 billion from the nation’s treasury.

In 2013, Yanukovych spurned a proposed trade deal with the European Union in favor of closer relations with Russia. Large protests against Yanukovych in Kyiv’s Independence Square erupted as a result. The protests were initially peaceful, but Yanukovych ultimately sought to crack down on the movement with his Berkut special police force.

Undeterred by Yanukovych’s violent crackdown, the protests continued through February 2014. A night of sniper shootings left over 100 people dead on the square, all while Yanukovych was already reportedly packing up his belongings at his luxurious suburban Kyiv estate. Yanukovych left Kyiv by helicopter the night of February 22, 2014, ultimately landing in Russia where the Kremlin had granted him asylum.

He has not left Russia or returned to Ukraine since.

Four days after Yanukovych abdicated power, Russian military under secret cover seized Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula, later annexing it as its own territory. Shortly thereafter, separatist forces in Ukraine’s Donetsk and Luhansk regions—heavily supplemented and supported by the Russian military—began an armed conflict against the Ukrainian government. That conflict in Ukraine’s eastern regions simmered all the way up to Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.

Yanukovych—now residing in the southern Russian city of Rostov-on-Don—was asked to comment on the developments and whether he’d agree to Moscow’s offer.

“Sure, why not?” Yanukovych reportedly said. “It is not like I have much else going on at the moment. It will probably be a lot of fun, to be honest.”

Meanwhile, the Trump administration—fresh off a summit with Putin in Alaska as well as a meeting with Zelensky and European leaders in Washington—has enthusiastically viewed Putin’s offer to meet with Yanukovych as a positive step towards ending the years-long conflict.

“It’s a great thing, a wonderful, beautiful thing,” President Donald Trump said to a group of gathered reporters. “I honestly don’t care who Putin meets with, so long as it stops this terrible, horrible war that was started by Biden and Zelenskyy, and it would never have ever started if I were President. I can tell you that now.”

DETAILS AT ELEVEN.


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BREAKING NEWS: Russia agrees to direct bilateral talks with former Ukrainian leader Yanukovych (Original Post) Tommy Carcetti Aug 21 OP
Biden and Zelensky started the invasion? Irish_Dem Aug 21 #1
No. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 21 #3
Which Ukrainian leader was Trump in negotiation with to manufacture dirt on Joe Biden? bucolic_frolic Aug 21 #2
Yanukovych gab13by13 Aug 21 #10
You're most likely thinking of Oleksander Dubinsky... Tommy Carcetti Aug 21 #16
This reads like AI fiction. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 21 #4
It's satire... EarlG Aug 21 #5
Yup. The picture and "news at eleven" remark made me suspicious despite the high factual content. It's well done. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 21 #11
I resemble that remark. Tommy Carcetti Aug 21 #6
Fast work. It would have taken me an hour to write something like that. Good work - high factual content. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 21 #8
Is this a joke? jonstl08 Aug 21 #7
It is satire. However... Tommy Carcetti Aug 21 #12
The author should have made it clear. Nt Fiendish Thingy Aug 21 #14
This thread is Russian propaganda gab13by13 Aug 21 #9
Did it ever occur to you some folks might think this is a factual news account and not satire? Fiendish Thingy Aug 21 #13
My intention with my satire is for there to be just enough of a "bite." Tommy Carcetti Aug 21 #19
Oh, I get it MorbidButterflyTat Aug 21 #23
Well yes, it kind of is... thought crime Aug 21 #39
One of the few redeeming things still on the hellsite that is Twitter (X)... Tommy Carcetti Aug 21 #40
Surely you have witnessed the misinformation spread from clickbait videos and memes on this site Fiendish Thingy Aug 21 #24
I mean, I get it. I do. Tommy Carcetti Aug 21 #29
OPs like this are not good for my heart. Mossfern Aug 21 #15
This has got to be The Onion CanonRay Aug 21 #17
I think Tommy Carcetti will take that as a compliment EarlG Aug 21 #18
Thank Tommy for raising my blood pressure 20 points CanonRay Aug 21 #21
Just bringing you up to my level. :) Tommy Carcetti Aug 21 #22
I immediately smelled onions. Home grown onions at that! But you got one thing wrong ... usonian Aug 21 #20
Not funny. Disaffected Aug 21 #25
Yes. Tommy Carcetti Aug 21 #27
Putin is NOT interested in peace talks with anyone LetMyPeopleVote Aug 21 #26
So Crazy I Thought It Was True DET Aug 21 #28
No peace. no Nobel for trump Turbineguy Aug 21 #30
Thought this was real until I got near the end Kaleva Aug 21 #31
What good is that? He has no power. BlueTsunami2018 Aug 21 #32
I only regret that I have but one "rec" to give Tommy Carcetti. usonian Aug 21 #33
Correction. Tommy Carcetti Aug 21 #34
DU is not user-programmable. Only admins can do it. usonian Aug 21 #35
Wait, you mean to tell me... Tommy Carcetti Aug 21 #37
Only my photography is "guaranteed" to be a realistic rendition. usonian Aug 21 #38
Such is life. Tommy Carcetti Aug 21 #41
I thought it was real until I saw your "DETAILS AT ELEVEN" and meme at the bottom! LeftInTX Aug 21 #36

Tommy Carcetti

(44,156 posts)
16. You're most likely thinking of Oleksander Dubinsky...
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 09:43 AM
Aug 21

...who was working with Rudy Giuliani on his push to get dirt on Biden. He's since been charged with being a Russian agent, not surprisingly.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/14/ukraine-mp-linked-to-giuliani-charged-with-colluding-with-russia

There was also Yuriy Lutsenko, the Ukrainian prosecutor general who succeeded Viktor Shokin, a former prosecutor who was heavily corrupt (and who Trumpists have falsely accused Biden of forcing the Ukrainians to fire supposedly to protect his son).

Lutsenko was an interesting case. He was actually considered one of the heroes of Maidan, being severely beaten by Yanukovych's goons.

He initially indicated to Rudy and company a willingness to investigate Biden, but later reneged, saying he didn't actually have any information on him.

But unlike Dubinsky, there doesn't appear to have been any evidence Lutsenko was working with the Russians, and his actions may have simply been the result of personal political ambition.

Bernardo de La Paz

(57,772 posts)
11. Yup. The picture and "news at eleven" remark made me suspicious despite the high factual content. It's well done. . . nt
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 08:55 AM
Aug 21

Tommy Carcetti

(44,156 posts)
6. I resemble that remark.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 08:44 AM
Aug 21

AI would have put this together in less than 5 seconds.

I spent all of 15 hardworking minutes of my life writing this.

Bernardo de La Paz

(57,772 posts)
8. Fast work. It would have taken me an hour to write something like that. Good work - high factual content. . . . . nt
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 08:46 AM
Aug 21

Tommy Carcetti

(44,156 posts)
12. It is satire. However...
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 08:58 AM
Aug 21

…in reality Russia actually has attempted to raise the issue of “legitimacy” of any Ukrainian signatories to any peace agreement.

Meaning they don’t view Zelensky as legitimate and would probably ignore the terms of any agreement on those grounds.


gab13by13

(29,541 posts)
9. This thread is Russian propaganda
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 08:53 AM
Aug 21

Putin didn't want to conquer Ukraine by military force. Putin wanted to storm into Kyiv and install a pro-Russian president, that's why he said it would take 3 days.

When Putin invaded Crimea he agreed to hold elections to determine who Crimea wants to be ruled by. Just yesterday Malcolm Nance stated that Putin stuffed the ballot boxes in the Crimean election, the people didn't really want to be governed by Russia.

Yanukovych is a Russian stooge as crooked as a dog's hind leg.

The White House announcing it supports Yanukovych is another public announcement that the United States is with Putin and Russia.

Putin must have shown Krasnov some scary shit in Alaska.

Look, if this is satire, and I guess it is, it isn't that far fetched.

Fiendish Thingy

(20,545 posts)
13. Did it ever occur to you some folks might think this is a factual news account and not satire?
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 09:41 AM
Aug 21

Especially those who just skim headlines?

I assume this is your own work, and you put a lot of effort in to it, but is your intention to entertain or mislead?

Tommy Carcetti

(44,156 posts)
19. My intention with my satire is for there to be just enough of a "bite."
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 09:51 AM
Aug 21

I do like to write, and DU provides me one of those outlets for my writing.

I could make my satire hackish and predictable over jokes that have already long been made and circulated ad naseum, but there would really be no fun for me in that. Even if it comes off more obviously as satire at first glance.

If you read my satire pieces clearly enough, it should be obvious that it's not an actual news piece. There should always be some element to it that clearly defies reality. The Russians demanding that they negotiate with a former President of Ukraine who has been out of power for 11 years and is living in Russia is simply not realistic.

But there should also be a certain element and degree of truth behind the satire nonetheless. The Russians do in fact openly question the legitimacy of Zelensky as Ukraine's leader, even though that's exactly who he is. I take that fact and build a satirical story around that fact.

That's the fine line I like to walk.

I mean, I can't speak for people who only get their news by reading headlines.

thought crime

(722 posts)
39. Well yes, it kind of is...
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 01:22 PM
Aug 21

Satire has a long and cherished place in western civilization. If you don't recognize the satire, just read the accompanying comments because somebody else will. I can honestly say it took no more than a glance at the comment to recognize satire.

Tommy Carcetti

(44,156 posts)
40. One of the few redeeming things still on the hellsite that is Twitter (X)...
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 01:49 PM
Aug 21

...is an account for a "Representative Jack Kimble."

You can find it here:

https://x.com/RepJackKimble

Kimble purports to be a Republican representative from California's 54th Congressional District.

When I first came across Representative Kimble's postings on Twitter, he struck me as one of those all-too-many clueless Republicans with terrible takes on just about everything. But in a world full of Marjorie Taylor Greenes, Matt Gaetzs, Lauren Boeberts, Paul Gosars, and multiple other idiotic fools that somehow found themselves elected to office, I didn't find it all that strange.

Nonetheless, I recall posting more than a couple of snarky responses to Kimble's idiotic musings when I discovered him.

It was only a little bit afterwards that I discovered one important thing:

There is no Representative Jack Kimble. There is no 54th Congressional District in California.

It certainly was believable enough--it's not as though majority of the 435 members of the House of Representatives are really household names, so Kimble's name going undetected would not be that unusual. California is the largest state by population, so the idea that there would be a 54th Congressional District is believable enough (and even in a heavily blue state, there are still more than a couple of outlier districts in California.)

Once I found out that Representative Kimble was not a real Congressman but rather a mere parody of one--once I was in on the joke--it made following his satirical account all the more enjoyable.

Now I'm able to follow along as part of the joke, and I don't enjoy it any less.

A good satire will go a long way in helping to cope with unfortunate realities.

Fiendish Thingy

(20,545 posts)
24. Surely you have witnessed the misinformation spread from clickbait videos and memes on this site
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 10:26 AM
Aug 21

It happens almost daily.

Yes, a thorough reading of your posts would make clear they are satire…to most folks.

You indeed walk a fine line…in the post-truth era, I’m not sure that is always a good thing.

(See my signature line)

Tommy Carcetti

(44,156 posts)
29. I mean, I get it. I do.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 11:32 AM
Aug 21

If there is ever any actual breaking news to be had, I personally either post it in the Latest Breaking News forum, or I post here with a link to a reputable source.

Clickbait is a certainly a problem.

The thing about my satire pieces, however, is that there's no weblink to be clicked. That--and my trademark "Details at Eleven" picture--should be a sign that this isn't actually a real news piece, even if the intended satire falls flat despite my best efforts.

I would never take for face value anyone's claim of actual news without any type of accredited source. Not here at DU or anywhere else.

What's more is even if there is a link, it doesn't guarantee anything in and of itself.

Too often you'll see someone provide a link to the source, only to find that it's from a dubious website that should never be taken as a legit news source. Or maybe it's one of those AI generated fever dreams of a Youtube clip that sometimes people fall victim to.

Writing these pieces is just one of my ways of trying to make sense of a senseless world.

usonian

(19,960 posts)
20. I immediately smelled onions. Home grown onions at that! But you got one thing wrong ...
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 10:00 AM
Aug 21

It's "Weird Al" Yanvovic.

Ready to use the famous "Russian Accordion Torture" negotiating tactic against Putin.




Tommy Carcetti

(44,156 posts)
27. Yes.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 11:14 AM
Aug 21

If there's something fun I love to fantasize about, it's definitely about a Kremlin that refuses to recognize the legitimate existence of its neighbor.

Oh, wait...

DET

(2,169 posts)
28. So Crazy I Thought It Was True
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 11:24 AM
Aug 21

You had me at ‘this terrible, horrible war that was started by Biden and Zelenskyy’. Insane, but completely believable.

Turbineguy

(39,286 posts)
30. No peace. no Nobel for trump
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 11:40 AM
Aug 21

Putin isn't doing trump any favors here. Why doesn't Putin take a deal so trump gets his Nobel and afterwards invade again?

BlueTsunami2018

(4,562 posts)
32. What good is that? He has no power.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 12:00 PM
Aug 21

Just like Piss trying to intervene. You’re not a part of this. Talk to the guy in charge.

usonian

(19,960 posts)
33. I only regret that I have but one "rec" to give Tommy Carcetti.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 12:03 PM
Aug 21

I was just thinking last night (in my thinking moments) that the current state of affairs MUST HAVE BEEN WRITTEN BY PADDY CHAYEVSKY, if not Rod Serling and his brilliant staff of writers and guest writer Ray Bradbury.

It is truly a Twilight Zone episode played out IRL.

Now, as to identifying an article as satire, I usually do that, because my writing can be ultra dry.

So, I posted this gem:
Zelenskyy inks BIG DEAL with Krasnov. (From the Alfredo Fettucini News Agency)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220573303

An article that I spent some time writing and preparing a graphic that IMNSHO, is “mighty fine”

And it got all of 5 rec’s.
Not that I’m counting, but I do like to see “what registers” and various means to improve my communication skills.

HONESTY DOESN’T WORK.
People REALLY, REALLY, REALLY love clickbait.

Even here.

Such titles as:
• Wow!
• This!
• Breaking News!

Give me a break.

Look at this lovely graphic,


Notice the fantastic transformation of the name NOBEL into NOBLE.
This was not just typing alternate text.
It was a challenge.

Now, I’m not saying that we should be subtle with the mentally-challenged MAGA world out there. You’ve sometimes got to be brutally direct with them, like this:


Uncle Jeffery is gone. Let’s play strip-checkers

If I label a post as satire, or give some outrageous “source” it’s not a compliment.


usonian

(19,960 posts)
35. DU is not user-programmable. Only admins can do it.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 12:20 PM
Aug 21

And I am fine with that. Other wise, I’d say

Print “It only got $MyRecs recs”;

THANKS!!!

Kramer: You demand perfection from yourself, from your soup posts.
Soup Nazi: How can I tolerate any less from my customer readers?

Tommy Carcetti

(44,156 posts)
37. Wait, you mean to tell me...
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 12:44 PM
Aug 21

…that picture of Trump dancing in a circle with those five young girls isn’t real?

I feel so betrayed!

usonian

(19,960 posts)
38. Only my photography is "guaranteed" to be a realistic rendition.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 12:49 PM
Aug 21

I'd post lots more, but anything posted on the web goes straight to photo agencies (where you can buy back your work or pay an army of lawyers to get it back) or to the AI machine.

Too bad, those rotten apples spoil it for everyone.

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