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gab13by13

(29,541 posts)
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 08:08 AM Aug 21

Do Any Democrats Besides Newsom Understand What Magats Are Doing?

Yeah, I get it, they understand that they are rigging the vote for the House.

Do they understand that Magats are using AI to gerrymander the state to make it impossible for Democrats to ever win the state?
Do they understand that Missouri will do the same, that Florida and other states are looking at it?

Of the 11 most gerrymandered states, 10 of them favor Republicans.

Are the other Democratic states that could do what California is doing counting on California to make up the difference? California is polling +22 to do the gerrymander. Hey Newsom, don't just gerrymander for 5 seats if you can get more. Hey Newsom, use AI to help.

This is why the Democratic party is polling so low. We are in a gun fight and we should not be leaving some guns at home.

Do Democrats understand that Magats are working to make voting irrelevant? I don't have to vote for my state Rep ever, the Magat wins 6-1 every election. Some years I have to write in the Democrat. That's what Magats are doing right now.

Do Democratic leaders understand that once autocracy gets entrenched it can't be removed by voting because the system will be rigged, just like it is rigged in Russia.

Finally, do Democrats understand that there are 1.5 million more Democrats registered in Texas than Magats. Texas will have 2 black voting districts, Missouri will have 1. Yeah I know, GOTV and if we lose it's our fault.

Even after they gerrymander they are going to cut back on voting machines in blue districts. How many people will be willing to wait 5 or 6 hours to vote?

Rant off.

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Do Any Democrats Besides Newsom Understand What Magats Are Doing? (Original Post) gab13by13 Aug 21 OP
Yes..................... Lovie777 Aug 21 #1
I am replying to my own post because I am pissed, gab13by13 Aug 21 #2
It's just crazy mvd Aug 21 #4
Every Blue State should gerrymander as many seats as possible. 15 to 20 seats !!! CA, NY, WA, OR .. All of them Trueblue1968 Aug 22 #105
Paging Colorado, Illinois, New York, and any other Blue State where it's possible: Chasstev365 Aug 21 #3
illinois will follow suit. mopinko Aug 21 #6
I listen to the Colorado Governor it doesn't sound like he's willing to do it Tribetime Aug 21 #28
He Can't Without Constitutional Amendment Aepps22 Aug 21 #54
In my opinion popsdenver Aug 21 #93
Pretty sure Hochul is already working on it BlueKota Aug 21 #76
Hochul said she could do nothing until after 2026. Nt CousinIT Aug 21 #89
Damn BlueKota Aug 21 #92
When we burn it all down Hornedfrog2000 Aug 21 #5
He should be emptied from his wheelchair EnergizedLib Aug 21 #41
You realize that the markodochartaigh Aug 21 #45
Eh, sure? Hornedfrog2000 Aug 21 #99
Sew him up in a bear skin, like the... LudwigPastorius Aug 21 #98
Yes. Pritzker (IL) and Hochul (NY) both said they'd re-district if TX did Arazi Aug 21 #7
MA won't... sheshe2 Aug 21 #57
Yay! MorbidButterflyTat Aug 21 #60
Lucky you! n/t ReRe Aug 22 #103
This message was self-deleted by its author sheshe2 Aug 21 #58
Ny might take a few elections to make the change IbogaProject Aug 22 #102
I dont think its actually possible to make it impossible for a party to win back control solely through gerrymandering SSJVegeta Aug 21 #8
That hasn't happened in NC. yardwork Aug 21 #12
Yup, back in the 70's 80's gab13by13 Aug 21 #13
UMMM - it's definitely possible ihaveaquestion Aug 21 #15
Short term yes, but longer term as the other poster noted, public opinion changes EdmondDantes_ Aug 21 #40
Short term matters... we need to win the next few elections and then we can worry about the long term. ihaveaquestion Aug 21 #43
Unless you tap into something deeper than partisan loyalty SSJVegeta Aug 21 #83
Why are you attacking Democrats? Kingofalldems Aug 21 #9
Am I? gab13by13 Aug 21 #14
Ah yes you are. Kingofalldems Aug 21 #30
Then stop "fucking" reading her threads awesomerwb1 Aug 21 #36
Are people not allowed to respond if they disagree? EdmondDantes_ Aug 21 #42
If you have an intelligent thought to add to the conversation awesomerwb1 Aug 21 #47
Okay, I took the language out. Kingofalldems Aug 21 #48
Are you? Sounded like you blew a gasket there champ awesomerwb1 Aug 21 #55
I didn't see any disagreement. Just an accusation. Crunchy Frog Aug 21 #90
Plenty of those and most with the same theme. Kingofalldems Aug 21 #46
Here's an idea: Don't read my posts. Kingofalldems Aug 21 #63
Careful careful. You already blew 1 gasket awesomerwb1 Aug 21 #65
No one blew any gasket. Kingofalldems Aug 21 #74
All fucking day EYESORE 9001 Aug 21 #61
Yep---it is not just this post. Kingofalldems Aug 21 #62
Hadn't delved that deep EYESORE 9001 Aug 21 #66
Post removed Post removed Aug 21 #49
You are. murielm99 Aug 22 #101
Oh For God's Sake DET Aug 21 #29
Constantly attacking leadership as stupid, incompetent, corrupt, both sides, don't fight, weak, etc., betsuni Aug 21 #32
North Carolina was horribly gerrymandered in 2010. yardwork Aug 21 #10
Timid high road Democrats need to move back and let the fighters lead NoMoreRepugs Aug 21 #11
Oh dear, David Hogg got ostracized for saying that Arazi Aug 21 #20
Hogg is an immature "throw the toys out of the pram" awesomerwb1 Aug 21 #38
Any progressive who voted for Trump for ANY reason is not a progressive...or even liberal, for that matter. Karasu Aug 21 #91
Or sane. n/t bagimin Aug 22 #104
I'm glad Newsom is calling them out! Emile Aug 21 #16
Question Bob_in_VA Aug 21 #17
So does this mean that you're the ONLY one who gets it? Oopsie Daisy Aug 21 #18
I think the plot is that Democrats have been beholden to big money for so long that all they betsuni Aug 21 #35
There are a few. Like Governor Pritzker. lees1975 Aug 21 #19
There is no registration by party in Texas MichMan Aug 21 #21
Yes there is. I'm a registered Democrat in Texas. ananda Aug 21 #23
I stand corrected MichMan Aug 21 #25
It basically works in primaries. ananda Aug 21 #27
According to the link I posted, it is optional MichMan Aug 21 #34
Yeah, so you can register, but you don't have to. ananda Aug 21 #69
This is only a minority of Democrats! Precinct chairs and delegates affiliate with the party for two years. LeftInTX Aug 21 #67
Exactly right. If we don't do something NOW... ananda Aug 21 #22
Democrat-bashing rule: Never give them the benefit of the doubt, assume out-of-touch stupidity or bad motivations. betsuni Aug 21 #24
The point is to correct actions that lose elections. Kid Berwyn Aug 21 #26
Add in JustAnotherGen Aug 21 #44
The definition of working class in that dictionary is always and only white working class men who shower betsuni Aug 21 #50
The irony is JustAnotherGen Aug 21 #51
Or... also assume: corruption, collusion, senility. It's always the same things over and over. Oopsie Daisy Aug 21 #53
And Democrats are supposedly the ones talking down to people, condescending, not listening, elitists! betsuni Aug 21 #68
The less I see of that SOB, the better. He and his BS nonstop worn-out smears of Democrats * Oopsie Daisy Aug 21 #78
Nina Turner's "Biden's-half-a-bowl-of-shit" and the DNC "tried to seduce [Our Revolution] with donuts and water" betsuni Aug 21 #80
Apparently it's a great way to rake in the dough from folks who are willing to part with $27 at at time... Oopsie Daisy Aug 21 #81
It just amazes me how many "fans" and "followers" she had here. For all her popularity ... Oopsie Daisy Aug 21 #82
One wonders about poor judgement, falling so easily for phonies, mindlessly believing someone just because they call betsuni Aug 21 #96
It's exhausting MorbidButterflyTat Aug 21 #59
dems need to gerrymander them on to reservations rampartd Aug 21 #31
NM already is, only 3 seats but 3 D seats. Clouds Passing Aug 21 #33
Yes they do - JustAnotherGen Aug 21 #37
Democrats low polls timms139 Aug 21 #39
If then it is time to leave. we no longer have a representative republic CanonRay Aug 21 #52
Leave? And go where, exactly? intrepidity Aug 21 #85
Not individuals, states. CanonRay Aug 21 #86
Oh, yeah, hell yeah. nt intrepidity Aug 21 #87
It's so clever that nobody sees it. usonian Aug 21 #56
They're going to have a hell of a time bending over to justify why TX can do it and CA can't. Hell, CA is even putting Karasu Aug 21 #88
I believe that the vote is needed because it requires a constitutional amendment. usonian Aug 21 #94
There is some false info in your OP Kaleva Aug 21 #64
Democrats veered to the right after Reagan was elected. ananda Aug 21 #70
Sooo. . only the Dems are responsible for the horrors we are facing niyad Aug 21 #72
I didn't say that. But it explains why they are not liberal fighters. ananda Aug 21 #73
Funny, that seems to be exactly what your last sentence in that post said. niyad Aug 21 #75
How did Biden veer to the right? betsuni Aug 21 #95
You seem to have quite a bit of advice to give Democrats -- why don't you run for that seat? W_HAMILTON Aug 21 #71
Not enough, no. And this has been a problem for over a decade now. RockRaven Aug 21 #77
We Were Tricked Aepps22 Aug 21 #79
I read that WA governor is planning to join this fight nt intrepidity Aug 21 #84
K&R spanone Aug 21 #97
Texas Representative Vince Price really laid it out. summer_in_TX Aug 22 #100
I guess hildegaard28 Aug 22 #106

gab13by13

(29,541 posts)
2. I am replying to my own post because I am pissed,
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 08:38 AM
Aug 21

What Texas is doing used to be illegal until the fascist Chief Justice Roberts gutted the Voting Rights Act.

How many people are aware that in order to cut Democratic Reps one new district in the Texas map runs from Austin 500 miles to the north through rural Texas to offset the urban votes. Whoever wins that new district will have to travel 500 miles to speak with his/her constituents.

mvd

(65,714 posts)
4. It's just crazy
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 08:43 AM
Aug 21

Do you think the legal challenges will hold up? If it goes to the Supreme Court I certainly don’t trust them. Good thing CA did what they did.

Trueblue1968

(18,719 posts)
105. Every Blue State should gerrymander as many seats as possible. 15 to 20 seats !!! CA, NY, WA, OR .. All of them
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 05:29 AM
Aug 22

Chasstev365

(6,076 posts)
3. Paging Colorado, Illinois, New York, and any other Blue State where it's possible:
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 08:43 AM
Aug 21

Start planning NOW! Republicans changed the rules and Democrats need to be ruthless!

Aepps22

(365 posts)
54. He Can't Without Constitutional Amendment
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 11:48 AM
Aug 21

In Colorado our constitution prevents mid decade redrawing of districts. Polis can say what he wants but even if we wanted an amendment to the constitution it would go into effect after the midterms

popsdenver

(319 posts)
93. In my opinion
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 09:33 PM
Aug 21

he is pretty much a DINO, and now that he is lame duck, he is definitely leaning more "Corporate" with almost everything.............

markodochartaigh

(3,737 posts)
45. You realize that the
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 11:07 AM
Aug 21

Republicans are "burning it all down" and are pushing Democratic politicians "into the bonfire", right?

Arazi

(8,301 posts)
7. Yes. Pritzker (IL) and Hochul (NY) both said they'd re-district if TX did
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 09:01 AM
Aug 21

Since they’re the other Dem governors that get on the news the most, they’re on record.

I presume the other states will similarly re-draw.

It’s so fucking stupid and a further erosion of our democracy

sheshe2

(93,380 posts)
57. MA won't...
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 12:37 PM
Aug 21

All nine of our districts are blue. It is also good to note that we haven't sent a Republican to the House for 31 years.

Response to Arazi (Reply #7)

IbogaProject

(4,850 posts)
102. Ny might take a few elections to make the change
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 01:25 AM
Aug 22

I read there needs to be two votes in different years in NY.

SSJVegeta

(1,315 posts)
8. I dont think its actually possible to make it impossible for a party to win back control solely through gerrymandering
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 09:06 AM
Aug 21

Only because people change their minds and change dramatically over not much time.

yardwork

(67,779 posts)
12. That hasn't happened in NC.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 09:11 AM
Aug 21

People vote for the party they perceive to be winners. Many rural NC counties that used to be reliably Democratic are now deep red, with no Democratic candidates at all.

This is the result of gerrymandering. It destroys democracy.

gab13by13

(29,541 posts)
13. Yup, back in the 70's 80's
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 09:22 AM
Aug 21

we had a Democratic and a Republican Rep ride in the same car on the 4th of July parade.

Fast forward and I have had to write in Democratic Reps for my district. The Magat Rep, Glenn Thompson is awful, all he does is drink oil and breathe methane and gets fossil fuel money but he gets elected 6-1.

EdmondDantes_

(844 posts)
40. Short term yes, but longer term as the other poster noted, public opinion changes
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 11:00 AM
Aug 21

It's hard to predict how that will change over time.

ihaveaquestion

(4,001 posts)
43. Short term matters... we need to win the next few elections and then we can worry about the long term.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 11:04 AM
Aug 21

SSJVegeta

(1,315 posts)
83. Unless you tap into something deeper than partisan loyalty
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 06:47 PM
Aug 21

Last edited Thu Aug 21, 2025, 10:17 PM - Edit history (2)

Like food insecurity and the people's basic physical wellbeing.

If Democrats (like Republcians have already done to an extent) can do that to the maximum level possible, these gerrymanders will be the world's biggest dummymanders.

gab13by13

(29,541 posts)
14. Am I?
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 09:29 AM
Aug 21

I want Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer to hold a press conference. I want them to encourage every democratically controlled state to gerrymander to the max until our nation returns to a bipartisan commission to draw maps.

I want my party to survive.

Democratic voters understand what's going on, they are protesting and attending town halls and ready to fight fascism. We need marching orders. Our voters want to do more than donate money for campaign ads, the time will come later to do that.

Project 2025 is ahead of schedule, once we become a Dictatorship there is no easy way back.

awesomerwb1

(4,831 posts)
47. If you have an intelligent thought to add to the conversation
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 11:10 AM
Aug 21

of course. But just to complain they don't like the thread using foul language serves no purpose.

Kingofalldems

(39,785 posts)
62. Yep---it is not just this post.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 01:03 PM
Aug 21

"Trump is unstoppable." "Trump is a genius."

Then: "Democrats are weak."

EYESORE 9001

(28,882 posts)
66. Hadn't delved that deep
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 01:31 PM
Aug 21

I’ll start paying closer attention. Despair is like a wet fucking blanket - and so are those who attempt to afflict others with hopelessness.

Response to gab13by13 (Reply #14)

murielm99

(32,294 posts)
101. You are.
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 01:09 AM
Aug 22

The Democrats are doing something right and you still find a way to be critical. What are you doing, you personally, other than griping on a message board? This is not aimed just at you, but at all the critics here, many of them with low post counts.

betsuni

(28,238 posts)
32. Constantly attacking leadership as stupid, incompetent, corrupt, both sides, don't fight, weak, etc.,
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 10:31 AM
Aug 21

while insisting The People need to be given marching orders and told what to do by leadership.

Um.

yardwork

(67,779 posts)
10. North Carolina was horribly gerrymandered in 2010.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 09:09 AM
Aug 21

Despite winning in court, Democrats lost even more seats in the latest atrocious redistricting. Once the state legislature grabbed the majority they just kept cutting back on democracy.

This is being replicated across the nation because it works. Republicans are stealing our democracy in order to get rich.

NoMoreRepugs

(11,564 posts)
11. Timid high road Democrats need to move back and let the fighters lead
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 09:10 AM
Aug 21

or we are looking at decades of Fascist/Totalitarian rule.

Arazi

(8,301 posts)
20. Oh dear, David Hogg got ostracized for saying that
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 09:58 AM
Aug 21

Replacing timid safe-seat Dems with Dem fighters is frowned on here and in establishment Dem circles

awesomerwb1

(4,831 posts)
38. Hogg is an immature "throw the toys out of the pram"
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 10:58 AM
Aug 21

if he doesn't get his way type of person.

Some of his tweets in the past were nasty attacks on Dems. There are much more talented and eloquent young Dems than him out there who are smart enough to understand how to navigate this two party system.

I am not a progressive (a lot of them voted Trump bc their candidate lost), and I'm not "establishment" either. I believe both Jeffries and Schumer aren't capable/strong enough to lead the party in these trying times.

Karasu

(1,915 posts)
91. Any progressive who voted for Trump for ANY reason is not a progressive...or even liberal, for that matter.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 09:24 PM
Aug 21

Bob_in_VA

(108 posts)
17. Question
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 09:48 AM
Aug 21

Maryland is often listed as a "most gerrymandered" state. Have any of you who repeat that statement ever actually looked at the Congressional District map of Maryland? 8 districts, one along the Eastern Shore; one that comprises the western part of the state, the part between WV and PA and six fairly compact districts between DC and Baltimore. If you have never done that, do it today. Then look at the maps of the ten "most gerrymandered" states run by Republicans. In Texas alone there is a CD that snakes through what looks like a 200 mile long corridor through western and central Texas plus many other districts where it's clear that the dictate that districts should be compact is ignored. While I haven't made a study of it, I'm sure that the other Republican gerrymandered states have similar shaped districts, ones meant to deny Democrats a fair shot at getting elected.

Oopsie Daisy

(6,590 posts)
18. So does this mean that you're the ONLY one who gets it?
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 09:52 AM
Aug 21

Is this post meant to suggest that Democratic leadership are just too DUMB or too IGNORANT or too NAIVE to "understand" what's going on? Or is the suggestion that Democratic leadership just doesn't care and that they are too stupid to comprehend all the things which are so obvious that even a child could understand?

Michael Moore, needs to be looking over his shoulder about right now. It looks like he's got some competition.
😘🙄😜

betsuni

(28,238 posts)
35. I think the plot is that Democrats have been beholden to big money for so long that all they
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 10:50 AM
Aug 21

do is Ignore The People, count their bribes in secret Big Money rooms while sipping champagne cocktails and nibbling canapes wearing furs and diamonds with their Republican pals and don't have a clue how government works or what's going on and don't care. Then there's a yelling revolution inspired by strongly worded rallies in the last part of the story. Poorly written romance...

lees1975

(6,751 posts)
19. There are a few. Like Governor Pritzker.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 09:53 AM
Aug 21

Illinois is aiming to redistrict District 11, which is +11 Republican, to make it about +5 Democrat by moving some more rural turf into District 20, and taking some heavily Democratic precincts from 6 and 7, where there's actually been some population growth. That will leave us with basically just two districts in the red, rural areas. But, even small metro areas in Illinois run ten points more Democratic than Republican, and the rural population is only about 17% of the total.

MichMan

(15,805 posts)
21. There is no registration by party in Texas
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 10:03 AM
Aug 21
"Finally, do Democrats understand that there are 1.5 million more Democrats registered in Texas than Magats"


Maybe they don't understand it because it isn't true. I don't know why people keep claiming there are more registered Democrats than Republicans. If it was, how do you explain how Republicans win all the statewide races.

MichMan

(15,805 posts)
25. I stand corrected
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 10:11 AM
Aug 21


How does party affiliation work in Texas?

In Texas, there are several main ways for a voter to affiliate with a party: by being accepted to vote in a party’s primary election, by taking the required oath at a party precinct convention, or by taking a party oath of affiliation generally (§§162.003, 162.006, 162.007). A voter’s affiliation with a party automatically expires at the end of each calendar year, which is December 31. (§162.010). A voter who has affiliated themselves with a party is ineligible to participate in the party affairs of another party during the same calendar year. (§§162.012, 162.013).

If a voter has not voted in a party primary or taken an oath of affiliation with a party this calendar year, they have not yet affiliated with any party. If a voter has not yet affiliated with a party, they are able to vote in either party’s primary election. However, if a voter votes in the primary of one party, they will only be able to vote in that party’s primary runoff election. (§§162.012, 162.013). After being affiliated with a party, a voter is not able to change or cancel their party affiliation until the end of the calendar year. (§162.010).

Do I have to register or affiliate with a party before I vote in the primary?

No. A registered voter is not required to pre-register or take any steps towards affiliating themselves with a party before voting in a party’s primary election. (§162.003). Additionally, when a person registers to vote in Texas, they do not register with any kind of party affiliation.


https://www.sos.texas.gov/elections/laws/advisory2022-11.shtml

ananda

(32,906 posts)
27. It basically works in primaries.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 10:13 AM
Aug 21

I'm not sure you actually are required to register, though.

MichMan

(15,805 posts)
34. According to the link I posted, it is optional
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 10:40 AM
Aug 21
A registered voter is not required to pre-register or take any steps towards affiliating themselves with a party before voting in a party’s primary election. (§162.003). Additionally, when a person registers to vote in Texas, they do not register with any kind of party affiliation.


Anyone not registered for either party can choose whatever primary ballot they desire on election day.

Seems like the only "benefit" of registering is to pick which party you want to add you to their mailing list and to solicit donations.

LeftInTX

(33,308 posts)
67. This is only a minority of Democrats! Precinct chairs and delegates affiliate with the party for two years.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 01:46 PM
Aug 21

It's part of the "job" requirement.

It's not anywhere on our voter registration record!

I'm a precinct chair and fill out the oath of affiliation when I file.

The GOP is not gonna look at lists of precinct chairs when they draw maps..LOL! Not are the gonna draw into delegate databases..LOL

They looked at general election results. They also put people who don't vote into their districts.

ananda

(32,906 posts)
22. Exactly right. If we don't do something NOW...
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 10:05 AM
Aug 21

we will never win another important election.

betsuni

(28,238 posts)
24. Democrat-bashing rule: Never give them the benefit of the doubt, assume out-of-touch stupidity or bad motivations.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 10:09 AM
Aug 21

Do Democrats understand ____ ?
Why didn't Democrats stop ____ ?
Where are the Democrats?

And the point is?

Kid Berwyn

(21,875 posts)
26. The point is to correct actions that lose elections.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 10:13 AM
Aug 21

If we don’t bring them up before the NEXT election, we will lose again. Like clockwork.

betsuni

(28,238 posts)
50. The definition of working class in that dictionary is always and only white working class men who shower
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 11:21 AM
Aug 21

at the end of the day in hard hats as an old-fashioned idealized working class does. Solidarity. You don't count if you take a shower in the morning with your fancy Identity Politics Body Soap.

JustAnotherGen

(36,756 posts)
51. The irony is
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 11:25 AM
Aug 21

THEY are the one who play Identity Politics.

They are the ones demanding special entitlements because they are working class white men.

They will never ever get onboard with anything that encourages equality for ALL in their socioeconomic group.

Oopsie Daisy

(6,590 posts)
53. Or... also assume: corruption, collusion, senility. It's always the same things over and over.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 11:43 AM
Aug 21

No matter where I go online, there's anti-Democrat and anti-Democratic party script or playbook that everyone seems to be copying-and-pasting from.

The point, you asked about... since no solutions or ideas are offered, I can only assume that the point is virtue signaling. The kind of shit that Michael Moore is famous for. Naysayer and soothsayer... always predicting the worst, and if it happens he boasts "told-ya-so!" And, if it doesn't happen, he boasts "thank goodness the Democrats heeded my wise warnings". --- It's always the same repetitive BS that we've come to expect. It's so tiresome.

betsuni

(28,238 posts)
68. And Democrats are supposedly the ones talking down to people, condescending, not listening, elitists!
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 02:23 PM
Aug 21

But OK to punch down, call Democrats stupid, dummies who have no idea what's going on, no plans, no policies, no message, no integrity, mindless puppets of oligarchs and corporate shills and on and on. The bashers are so very concerned that if they turn their backs for one second, Democrats will turn into Republicans so they must scream insults at them all the time.

Poor Michael Moore. haven't heard much from him. I'm afraid he'll be even angrier at Democrats because his prediction that Harris would win was wrong and he missed out on lots and lots of TV appearances.

Oopsie Daisy

(6,590 posts)
78. The less I see of that SOB, the better. He and his BS nonstop worn-out smears of Democrats *
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 04:12 PM
Aug 21

* sound like a cracked record. His only political agenda and goals are to monetize HIMSELF and to profit, no matter what damage he causes. He and Nina Turner and that other guy whose name escapes me right now, they're all cut from the same ratty piece of burlap flour sack cloth. Oh! I remember now... Cornel West, that's the one!

betsuni

(28,238 posts)
80. Nina Turner's "Biden's-half-a-bowl-of-shit" and the DNC "tried to seduce [Our Revolution] with donuts and water"
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 05:47 PM
Aug 21

comments I'll always remember, and I can't think of Cornel West without the word milquetoast popping into my head because he said it all the time. If I had an Institute, I'd be embarrassed to have those two as Fellows (Tulsi Gabbard quietly vanishing eventually). At least MM isn't nutty yet.

Oopsie Daisy

(6,590 posts)
81. Apparently it's a great way to rake in the dough from folks who are willing to part with $27 at at time...
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 05:53 PM
Aug 21

... but, I guess it keeps the lights on and the water running.

Oopsie Daisy

(6,590 posts)
82. It just amazes me how many "fans" and "followers" she had here. For all her popularity ...
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 05:58 PM
Aug 21

... she certainly turned and betrayed the Democratic party very quickly. I wonder if her loudest fans also feel betrayed by her.

betsuni

(28,238 posts)
96. One wonders about poor judgement, falling so easily for phonies, mindlessly believing someone just because they call
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 10:35 PM
Aug 21

themselves something.

Like a politician with a long career of getting progressive things done trashed as corrupt establishment Republican lite and a politician with a long career of not getting things done hailed as the progressive gatekeeper who yells "None shall pass" except to the special few like Nina Turner, Cornel West, Tulsi Gabbard.

Now that everybody knows Tulsi's not at all a progressive or Democrat or anything on the Left, she doesn't bother spending a lot of time bashing Democrats -- that only makes potential Democratic voters cynical and apathetic if attacks appear to come from the left.

rampartd

(2,371 posts)
31. dems need to gerrymander them on to reservations
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 10:26 AM
Aug 21

by overgerrymandering. their "safe" majority districts become easier to flip

they are using the results of trump vs harris to make a few assumptions that may not play without dear leader on the ticket..

JustAnotherGen

(36,756 posts)
37. Yes they do -
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 10:56 AM
Aug 21

Definitely at the State Government level which manages and controls elections.

I know for a FACT NJ legislators are very aware and trying to figure out how we can game the system.

And I hate to have to write something like that - but we're all on our own here. We have to engage in mass noncompliance.

We can break them. That I do believe.

Here's a hint - Rep Crockett through Gabriel Arce - a man who has written her scurrilous racist and sexist emails. Two years ago a Demcoratic Rep would not have Named Names of citizens who launch verbal and written threatening attacks at them.

She's just opened another door to demeaning the magapub voter.

Newsom has his thing - it works WONDERFULLY for him.
Crockett has HER thing - and that's the one every single Black Female Democratic Legislator across the country should use.

timms139

(372 posts)
39. Democrats low polls
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 10:59 AM
Aug 21

are from within the party . It shows from recent polls and that those low polling numbers are Democrats who don't like certain policies. The polls also show tha Republicans shouldn't place their bets on those voters because the poll shows they will not vote for Republicans. This again shows that this low means nothing while the same polls show Democrats with a 5 point advantage in the upcominmg midterms at this point.

CanonRay

(15,546 posts)
52. If then it is time to leave. we no longer have a representative republic
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 11:30 AM
Aug 21

Then it is time to leave.

usonian

(19,960 posts)
56. It's so clever that nobody sees it.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 12:12 PM
Aug 21

If the Extreme Court rules against Gerrymandering, it will stop the red states from doing it, and that has been their modus operandi for ages. Q.E.D.

If the Extreme Court upholds Gerrymandering, then big, big, UUGE blue states like CA get the 🛤️ clear track to do it.

Karasu

(1,915 posts)
88. They're going to have a hell of a time bending over to justify why TX can do it and CA can't. Hell, CA is even putting
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 09:19 PM
Aug 21

their redistricting to a vote, which is more than the fascists in Texas can say.

usonian

(19,960 posts)
94. I believe that the vote is needed because it requires a constitutional amendment.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 09:35 PM
Aug 21

That said, I'm all in.

Kaleva

(39,768 posts)
64. There is some false info in your OP
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 01:15 PM
Aug 21

Texas is one of many states where voters don’t register their party affiliation

ananda

(32,906 posts)
70. Democrats veered to the right after Reagan was elected.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 02:27 PM
Aug 21

Guess what? Joe Biden was one of them.

I really disliked him for a long, long time.

This led to Dems caving and letting the vote go
uncounted in 2000.

Dems playing nice, going Republican lite... that
has led us to where we are now.

niyad

(126,528 posts)
72. Sooo. . only the Dems are responsible for the horrors we are facing
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 02:57 PM
Aug 21

today? The pukes, the media, the reichwing crazies did nothing to orchestrate this? The plans and attacks they have been working on for the last 50 years have nothing to do with the mess? Am I understanding your post correctly? What positions did President Biden take that you disliked so much, and why?

ananda

(32,906 posts)
73. I didn't say that. But it explains why they are not liberal fighters.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 03:06 PM
Aug 21

Except for a few who now call themselves progressives.

niyad

(126,528 posts)
75. Funny, that seems to be exactly what your last sentence in that post said.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 03:17 PM
Aug 21

And your sentences here do not explain anything, nor did you answer my questions about your statements on President Biden. But do keep trying. I am finding this fascinating.

Aepps22

(365 posts)
79. We Were Tricked
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 04:16 PM
Aug 21

I can only speak as a Colorado voter but what I’m seeing is that the bad guys leveraged non partisan anti gerrymandering committees in advance of the fight we now have. Most states that could and should be able to counter this nonsense are usually restricted by those committees or their own laws that we supported to get rid of gerrymandering. Anti gerrymandering laws and committees only work when everyone is playing the same game.

summer_in_TX

(3,789 posts)
100. Texas Representative Vince Price really laid it out.
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 01:08 AM
Aug 22

He's got a piece in Time.com and there are some great videos / shorts too.

https://time.com/7310875/texass-map-racial-division/
Texas’s New Map Is Racial Division by Another Name

Here’s the blunt math on the Texas Republican proposal: under this map, my team and I estimate it would take roughly 445,000 white residents to secure one member of Congress, but about 1.4 million Latino residents and 2 million Black residents to secure the same. In effect, the political “worth” of a Latino Texan is cut to one‑third of a white Texan’s, and for Black Texans, to one‑fifth. On paper the districts are equal in population; in practice the map assigns unequal electoral weight across racial lines. This means that the value of one Latino resident’s vote is worth just one-third the value of one white resident, and a black resident is one-fifth; it would take three Latino Texans, or five Black Texans, to equal the voting power of a single white Texan.
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