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Veterans fear Trump creating conditions for another Kent State
War veterans worry escalating violence could be "politically advantageous" for Trump
By Charles R. Davis
News Editor
Published August 20, 2025 6:30AM (EDT)
(Salon) Its not hysterical to think it could happen. Its not conspiratorial to suggest its what they might actually want. And it cannot be dismissed as improbable, given the conditions on the ground and what we already know about the most powerful man in the world: the prospect of American troops, in American cities, opening fire on American citizens and that blood on the streets could be viewed not as a tragedy but as plain good politics.
It definitely keeps me up at night, Janessa Goldbeck, a U.S. Marine Corps veteran and CEO of the Vet Voice Foundation, a pro-democracy nonprofit, said in an interview with Salon. I dont want to speculate whats in his brain, but just taking the evidence as it is what he said during the Black Lives Matter protests; the fact that hes taking this maximalist approach to deploying troopshe is eager to create escalatory situations.
In 2020, President Donald Trump wanted it to happen.
Cant you just shoot them? he asked, referring to people protesting the police killing of George Floyd, according to former Defense Secretary Mark Esper, who wrote in his memoir that he had to figure out a way to walk Trump back. Esper was fired for insufficient loyalty a few months later.
Second-term Trump, who has flooded Washington, D.C., with federal agents and National Guardsmen for the ostensible purpose of combating crime that is at a 30-year low, no longer has someone such as Mark Esper to tell him no. The likes of Mark Milley, the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (who describes Trump as a total fascist), and John Kelly, his former White House chief of staff (who warned that his former boss is an aspiring dictator), have been replaced by far-right ideologues and mediocre functionaries White House adviser Stephen Miller and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth who are eager to demonstrate their loyalty and inflict pain on the presidents domestic enemies. ............(more)
https://www.salon.com/2025/08/20/veterans-fear-trump-creating-conditions-for-another-kent-state/

dedl67
(84 posts)President Berzelius Windrip's "Minute Men" are scarily similar to ICE
MrWowWow
(949 posts).
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GreenWave
(11,398 posts)Paladin
(31,492 posts)It doesn't appear that anything is going to get any better until trump's forces make U.S. citizens' blood run in the streets. This is what comes from being burdened with (A.) a vengeful lunatic in the White House; (B.) an opposition political party too wimpy to provide meaningful opposition (i.e., hearings on, and implementation of, the 25th Amendment); and (C.) a trump-friendly mass media. I never imagined that this once-proud democracy could devolve into something so shamefully impotent.
PlanetBev
(4,374 posts)We are all in agreement. Its just a matter of time.
Nigrum Cattus
(949 posts)they will not like the response to any republican violence
against peaceful protests.
the_liberal_grandpa
(244 posts)before they start fighting back.
The ghost of John Brown will soon haunt us.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brown_(abolitionist)
mwmisses4289
(2,022 posts)like whatever fantasy he has created in his and his sycophants heads.
Evolve Dammit
(21,178 posts)TomSlick
(12,683 posts)They are trained to close with and destroy the enemy.
Deaths seem inevitable.