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Peacetrain

(24,248 posts)
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 10:31 AM Aug 11

Ukraine gave up nuclear rights and mineral rights now we are saying things like land swap with Russia for peace

God give me strength..

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ukraine-us-mineral-resource-deal-close-finalized/story?id=121315052

"“This agreement signals clearly to Russia that the Trump Administration is committed to a peace process centered on a free, sovereign, and prosperous Ukraine over the long term," Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said in a press release. "President Trump envisioned this partnership between the American people and the Ukrainian people to show both sides’ commitment to lasting peace and prosperity in Ukraine. And to be clear, no state or person who financed or supplied the Russian war machine will be allowed to benefit from the reconstruction of Ukraine."

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/21/1082124528/ukraine-russia-putin-invasion

Three decades ago, the newly independent country of Ukraine was briefly the third-largest nuclear power in the world.

Thousands of nuclear arms had been left on Ukrainian soil by Moscow after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. But in the years that followed, Ukraine made the decision to completely denuclearize.

In exchange, the U.S., the U.K. and Russia would guarantee Ukraine's security in a 1994 agreement known as the Budapest Memorandum.

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Ukraine gave up nuclear rights and mineral rights now we are saying things like land swap with Russia for peace (Original Post) Peacetrain Aug 11 OP
Ukraine didn't give up mineral rights Fiendish Thingy Aug 11 #1
So you are saying that IF Russia gets the land in any 'peace' agreement, Then the US would legally have riversedge Aug 11 #2
Not quite Fiendish Thingy Aug 11 #3
I mean does anyone think Russia would allow that? Cosmocat Aug 11 #4

Fiendish Thingy

(20,845 posts)
1. Ukraine didn't give up mineral rights
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 10:49 AM
Aug 11

Trump thinks they did, but my understanding, IIRC, from reading analyses of the “agreement” is that Ukraine retains control over future mineral rights in territory it now controls, and the US only has rights to extract minerals from Ukrainian territory currently occupied by Russia.

My hope is, once it is clear Trump is abandoning Ukraine, that Ukraine signs a deal with the EU for shared mineral rights in Ukrainian held territory in exchange for EU membership and unrestricted arms supplies until this war is over.

riversedge

(77,917 posts)
2. So you are saying that IF Russia gets the land in any 'peace' agreement, Then the US would legally have
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 10:54 AM
Aug 11

the right to dig the minerals?? whow. but being cynical--Trumps wallet would get larger also with this peace "deal"!!

Fiendish Thingy

(20,845 posts)
3. Not quite
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 10:59 AM
Aug 11

Any agreement between Ukraine and the US likely wouldn’t be recognized by Russia.

My understanding is the US only has rights to extract minerals from existing Ukrainian mines, 90% of which are currently in Donetsk, under Russian occupation. Ukraine would have to regain control of the region before the US could exercise its rights under the agreement.

If my understanding is correct, that makes Zelensky one shrewd negotiator.

Ukraine retains complete control over mineral deposits in the unoccupied north and west, which have yet to be mined, and are reportedly rich in rare earth metals necessary for today’s Technology.

Cosmocat

(15,290 posts)
4. I mean does anyone think Russia would allow that?
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 11:15 AM
Aug 11

In general, but if it was "officially given" to Russia, any deal between the US and Ukraine would be unenforceable.

That said, like 99% of what he does, this was all one big bait and switch to gin up the base and brainless media to think there was something meaningful there.

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