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dalton99a

(90,348 posts)
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 10:04 AM Aug 11

Goodbye, $165,000 Tech Jobs. Student Coders Seek Work at Chipotle.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/10/technology/coding-ai-jobs-students.html

https://archive.ph/xv5aA

Goodbye, $165,000 Tech Jobs. Student Coders Seek Work at Chipotle.
As companies like Amazon and Microsoft lay off workers and embrace A.I. coding tools, computer science graduates say they’re struggling to land tech jobs.
By Natasha Singer
Aug. 10, 2025

Growing up near Silicon Valley, Manasi Mishra remembers seeing tech executives on social media urging students to study computer programming.

“The rhetoric was, if you just learned to code, work hard and get a computer science degree, you can get six figures for your starting salary,” Ms. Mishra, now 21, recalls hearing as she grew up in San Ramon, Calif.

Those golden industry promises helped spur Ms. Mishra to code her first website in elementary school, take advanced computing in high school and major in computer science in college. But after a year of hunting for tech jobs and internships, Ms. Mishra graduated from Purdue University in May without an offer.

“I just graduated with a computer science degree, and the only company that has called me for an interview is Chipotle,” Ms. Mishra said in a get-ready-with-me TikTok video this summer that has since racked up more than 147,000 views.

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Unemployed grads should try Stephen Miller's gestapo and private prisons






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Goodbye, $165,000 Tech Jobs. Student Coders Seek Work at Chipotle. (Original Post) dalton99a Aug 11 OP
Tech companies are pouring money into data centers for AI newdeal2 Aug 11 #1
Exactly how NVIDIA has gotten too big, saw the costs per server CPU, holy hell how do you look people in the eye $$$? Brainfodder Aug 11 #3
The path is clear...... BruceWane Aug 11 #6
Seems like having a computer technical degree would be in demand for developing AI MichMan Aug 11 #12
Yes, there will be a gap. AI seems to be a Musk/Thiel boondogle because they want massive government PatrickforB Aug 11 #18
How will we have people qualified to fill upper level positions if they don't work at entry level jobs? CrispyQ Aug 11 #9
And eliminate all of our water if that's how they are cooling them. littlemissmartypants Aug 11 #13
+1. They also make electric bills go up dalton99a Aug 11 #20
Excellent point! For everyone! 👍❤️ littlemissmartypants Aug 11 #22
Should be a concern with data analytics too bucolic_frolic Aug 11 #2
I've been saying this for several years here Johnny2X2X Aug 11 #4
I would *love* to see AI use become a reportable environmental sustainability metric. Heidi Aug 11 #8
It's pretty scary Johnny2X2X Aug 11 #10
Probably the only good result of the AI "revolution" is that all the code freaks Prairie Gates Aug 11 #5
AI is killing those jobs too. progressoid Aug 11 #17
AI creates literature and paintings IronLionZion Aug 11 #19
More outsourcing and work visa abuse being blamed on AI,these corps aren't slick uponit7771 Aug 11 #7
I'm not convinced they can't find work... getagrip_already Aug 11 #11
Generative AI is wiping out a lot of entry-level jobs. highplainsdem Aug 11 #14
So when does the golden age start? Initech Aug 11 #15
They kept saying "learn to code". AI has learned to code. IronLionZion Aug 11 #16
Well, even if they do get the 165K job, it's not enough to buy senseandsensibility Aug 11 #21

newdeal2

(4,161 posts)
1. Tech companies are pouring money into data centers for AI
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 10:10 AM
Aug 11

Not into hiring. And AI may eliminate all the entry level jobs anyway.

Brainfodder

(7,781 posts)
3. Exactly how NVIDIA has gotten too big, saw the costs per server CPU, holy hell how do you look people in the eye $$$?
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 10:17 AM
Aug 11

BruceWane

(371 posts)
6. The path is clear......
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 10:57 AM
Aug 11

It's been said a lot that AI is anticipated to eliminate entry level tech/programming jobs. All appearances are that this is now in progress.

But if you think it through, it's apparent that tech management is betting on AI to eliminate ALL levels of those jobs.

Where do mid and upper level tech employees come from? They come from entry level employees who advance through experience. If there are no entry level jobs, no entry level employees, there will soon be no mid/upper level employees.

They're shutting down the employee development pipeline. This is either due to an incredible level of short-sightedness, or it's due to a high level of confidence that development of mid/high level tech employees is no longer necessary.

The only reason it's said that AI will put "entry level" tech jobs at risk is to minimize public reaction to the reality of what AI will actually do.

PatrickforB

(15,271 posts)
18. Yes, there will be a gap. AI seems to be a Musk/Thiel boondogle because they want massive government
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 12:53 PM
Aug 11

contracts so they are ramming it down our throats.

Problem is, AI isn't that smart yet. We should be using it as a 'partner?' Well, it can come in handy sometimes, but I prefer to do my own writing and so on.

I think AI will end up dumbing down a whole generation of kids.

But then, I'm an old guy. I remember in the way-back-when when ATMs came out and tellers were panicking about the prospect of losing their jobs, but no...the ATM did not replace the need for tellers.

CrispyQ

(40,255 posts)
9. How will we have people qualified to fill upper level positions if they don't work at entry level jobs?
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 11:16 AM
Aug 11

There are lots of jobs that require years of on-the-job experience. You don't just walk into being a good supervisor or director of anything, coming out of college. Everything you learn in school, engineering, finance, marketing, it's all textbook, not real life. The real world variables you'll encounter are rarely covered in class, partly cuz there's no way to predict all of them.

I read an article that concluded that AI makes us more average & I agree.

littlemissmartypants

(29,867 posts)
13. And eliminate all of our water if that's how they are cooling them.
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 12:35 PM
Aug 11

I hope the neighborhoods enjoy the environmental impacts and the noise.

bucolic_frolic

(52,454 posts)
2. Should be a concern with data analytics too
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 10:14 AM
Aug 11

Anything that's logical can be programmed to be done by AI. Algos have been running some investment funds for years.

Johnny2X2X

(23,432 posts)
4. I've been saying this for several years here
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 10:19 AM
Aug 11

I work in tech, we need systems engineers more than software engineers. And software engineers better know several languages and understand a lot more than just coding.

And AI is writing code now that is useable.

But things are changing so quickly, I fear 10 years from now will bring devastation to tech. I am retiring in 10 years and am in a highly regulated industry that has many years before they begin letting AI do much for us.

The "Learn to code" meme has been bunk for a while now. That's simply not enough.

I don't know where we go, but I do think Ai will be taking over highly skilled tasks as soon as this year.

Heidi

(58,829 posts)
8. I would *love* to see AI use become a reportable environmental sustainability metric.
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 11:10 AM
Aug 11

Beyond the environmental concerns—given the speed of AI’s deployment and human job displacement—it’s well past time to ramp up support for a universal basic income.

Johnny2X2X

(23,432 posts)
10. It's pretty scary
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 11:38 AM
Aug 11

Because no one really knows how automatable their jobs are.

And we've had "smart" tools for quite some time. I work in aerospace and we write a lot of test cases and test procedures. A system on an airplane can have a lot of variables that need to be tested robustly. So we developed a tool that wrote 450,000 test cases and the procedures for them. We took 1 of our smartest engineers who spent a couple years getting this to run right. So we paid 1 guy for 4000 hours instead of the team of 100 engineers working 4000 hours each to write 450,000 TCs and TPs.

And that's how AI will work. It won't be replacing an accounting department at a large corporation, it will be taking a small team of accountants who also understand AI tasking and having those few people replace the dozens of accountants that were previously employed. There will still be a human element in there somewhere for a while at least.

My advice is be that AI expert. Whatever you do, start figuring out how AI can help you or if it can help you in the future, and become the expert on that. Those are going to be high salary jobs, but very competitive ones.

I think AI is really Armageddon for white collar workers. I really don't know what a lot of degrees will be worth soon.

Prairie Gates

(6,310 posts)
5. Probably the only good result of the AI "revolution" is that all the code freaks
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 10:22 AM
Aug 11

now have to eat their own words.

You know, go learn literature or painting, guys. Something that pays!

IronLionZion

(49,933 posts)
19. AI creates literature and paintings
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 01:06 PM
Aug 11

humans can work for ICE apparently since they're hiring anyone.

uponit7771

(93,251 posts)
7. More outsourcing and work visa abuse being blamed on AI,these corps aren't slick
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 11:10 AM
Aug 11

... AI enhances way more than it replaces and is far from broligarchy's promised scale without crap tons of errors and rework.

Yet the corps who are screaming AI is coming are outsourcing and abusing work visas

Broligarchy should *** NOT*** be trusted at all

getagrip_already

(17,782 posts)
11. I'm not convinced they can't find work...
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 11:43 AM
Aug 11

Just that they aren't finding work.

A degree from a known university with a solid resume and references can lead to jobs not in coding. With a little effort, you could qualify as a systems engineer, admin, dba, systems architect, contractor, or sales engineer.

But I get there are tens of thousands of experienced people hitting the streets, and that the economy is crashing.

But even if coding jobs were to largely disappear, there are still other jobs AI isn't up for just yet. Companies of all types still need what we affectionally called "smart hands". These were smart tech types who could carry out instructions on-site, even if they had no experience with a particular product.

Skills pay the bills, and the one thing a college degree gets you is that you know how to learn, how to solve problems, and the confidence to try. Colleges were never meant to be job training. They are meant to expand your mind and teach you how to achieve.



IronLionZion

(49,933 posts)
16. They kept saying "learn to code". AI has learned to code.
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 12:46 PM
Aug 11

AI is the new H1B. Sooner or later, some idiot will accuse me of being AI during recession.

senseandsensibility

(23,926 posts)
21. Well, even if they do get the 165K job, it's not enough to buy
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 03:01 PM
Aug 11

a house in Santa Clara County where Silicon Valley is. The median home price is 1.7 million.

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