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jmowreader

(52,683 posts)
Thu Jul 31, 2025, 07:49 PM Jul 31

The question that could take down America

UPPER WEST SIDE (Spurious Analysis Service) — The name Virginia Giuffre has come to prominence lately. The very short synopsis is she was a spa attendant at Mar-a-Lago and wound up at Jeffrey Epstein’s island providing sexual services to rich men while still underage.

Trump claims Epstein “stole” her from Mar-a-Lago.

Now for the question: how many of Epstein’s teenage prostitutes came from Mar-a-Lago or another Trump property? It is not outside the realm of possibility Trump, not Ghislaine Maxwell, was Epstein’s procurer.

The sad thing is, even if it can absolutely be proved Trump was doing this, the Republicans won’t do a thing to him.

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The question that could take down America (Original Post) jmowreader Jul 31 OP
Based on that Traildogbob Jul 31 #1
It's possible. That being said, I don't believe that Maxwell can be entirely no_hypocrisy Jul 31 #2
Girl trafficking and Faux pas Jul 31 #3
+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000!!! 2naSalit Jul 31 #5
How would it take down America? BlueTsunami2018 Jul 31 #4
Teenage prostitutes? WTF? Try teenage victims of white, male pedophiles. brush Jul 31 #6
That was my reaction when I first read the op Lifeafter70 Jul 31 #7
To call his victims "teenage prostitutes" Lifeafter70 Jul 31 #8
Agree 100% Lifeafter70. JMCKUSICK Jul 31 #11
To many don't really understand grooming Lifeafter70 Jul 31 #12
I got groomed I_UndergroundPanther Aug 1 #13
My daughter was groomed when she was 14 and spent the summer with her dad Lifeafter70 Aug 1 #15
My dad I_UndergroundPanther Aug 1 #16
Even tho I was outraged by what haf happened to my daughter Lifeafter70 Aug 1 #17
Well, given the GOP love of Trump Dan Jul 31 #9
He could rape someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose any supporters.... Sogo Jul 31 #10
It won't take down America. Aristus Aug 1 #14

no_hypocrisy

(53,221 posts)
2. It's possible. That being said, I don't believe that Maxwell can be entirely
Thu Jul 31, 2025, 07:55 PM
Jul 31

written off.

James Patterson did a fair amount of research for his book, Filthy Rich: The Shocking True Story of Jeffrey Epstein – The Billionaire’s Sex Scandal.
https://www.amazon.com/Filthy-Rich-Billionaires-Scandal-Shocking/dp/1455542644

He gave specifics and details of Maxwell's role in this morass. I found it compelling and credible.

That doesn't mean that Trump wasn't involved. I believe it means that Trump was cagey enough to hide any collusion and involvement.

Faux pas

(15,942 posts)
3. Girl trafficking and
Thu Jul 31, 2025, 07:57 PM
Jul 31

money laundering seem to be the biggest businesses for those two effing effers. I'm pretty sure the hump is still practicing both...what really happened to the 500+ kids that were "lost" during his first term?

BlueTsunami2018

(4,642 posts)
4. How would it take down America?
Thu Jul 31, 2025, 08:04 PM
Jul 31

No one is going to do anything about it even with definitive proof. It’ll be blown off the same way it is now.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
6. Teenage prostitutes? WTF? Try teenage victims of white, male pedophiles.
Thu Jul 31, 2025, 08:38 PM
Jul 31

And Maxwell was as deep into it as trump and Epstein.

Lifeafter70

(656 posts)
7. That was my reaction when I first read the op
Thu Jul 31, 2025, 09:31 PM
Jul 31

It blames the victim. Most of the victims were children. Maxwell gained there trust, groomed them and than abused them. The op should edit their op to reflect that.

Lifeafter70

(656 posts)
8. To call his victims "teenage prostitutes"
Thu Jul 31, 2025, 09:41 PM
Jul 31

Furthers their victimization. They were groomed first and than put in a horrible situation that was difficult if not impossible to leave. These were 12 to 16 year old children who were not capable understanding the full extent of what was going to happen to them.

Please edit your op to reflect that.

Edited to add: I believe trump was just as involved as epstein and Maxwell, but Maxwell should not been given a pass, she is a pedophile. Have you not listened to her victims or are they just teenage prostitutes.

JMCKUSICK

(4,030 posts)
11. Agree 100% Lifeafter70.
Thu Jul 31, 2025, 10:54 PM
Jul 31

Victims being victimized again and again and again without an ounce of consideration or compassion, even by "The Good Guys".
We are like voyeurs driving past a very bad accident. The magnitude of this tragedy has been buried for decades, and shame on everyone who had an opportunity to do something and didn't.
I have to wonder if there hasn't been and continues to be a conspiracy to keep these crimes and criminals hidden. If that were to be the case, wouldn't that create a possible RICO indictment and ultimately restart the statute of limitations clock because the of the conspiracy?
Stop investigating the deeds, name the suspected perpetrators and I dict them for crimes that the government can prove. We know who, when, where, and with whom, it's in the files. The question that needs a independent counsel is who participated in keeping this under the rug, up to this very day. I'm talking those records, those files, those emails that have to exist all the way back to Epstein's initial arrest. How much did they know and when did they know it?
Who ok'd the Acosta agreement from DOJ?
Please, leave the kids alone. Yes I said kids, most of them froze in their emotional development the moment the abuse started.
Sorry for the semi rant.

Lifeafter70

(656 posts)
12. To many don't really understand grooming
Thu Jul 31, 2025, 11:17 PM
Jul 31

And how the groomer is able to control the victim especiallyat a young age.. That control and fear can last a lifetime. You are correct in stating that trama at that age can affect emotional development.
I have listen to the taped interview of Virginia Guffrie and could tell she was still a very scared 15 year old. Her vocabulary and style of speech was that of a teenager.

I_UndergroundPanther

(13,275 posts)
13. I got groomed
Fri Aug 1, 2025, 01:44 PM
Aug 1

To think I actually liked him until it started. He said if I said anything to anyone about it he would kill my cat.
I was 4.
My cat Rikki was my best and only friend back than.

Lifeafter70

(656 posts)
15. My daughter was groomed when she was 14 and spent the summer with her dad
Fri Aug 1, 2025, 02:00 PM
Aug 1

The asshole was in his 40's. She thought he loved her. Her dad blamed her. That was disgusting and affected her relationship with him. That was the last overnight visit with her dad.
So sorry you had that pain inflicted on you at such a young age.

Edited to add that her rapist was a neighbor not here dad. Here dad blamed her for what happened not the 40 year old.

I_UndergroundPanther

(13,275 posts)
16. My dad
Fri Aug 1, 2025, 02:27 PM
Aug 1

A vile abusive drunk blamed me for being abused when my mom told him because my cousin told my mom . I was in my bedroom and overheard him blaming me and saying what’s wrong with me.No rage at the
Pedo however. My mom did nothing
My father did nothing.

Lifeafter70

(656 posts)
17. Even tho I was outraged by what haf happened to my daughter
Fri Aug 1, 2025, 02:48 PM
Aug 1

It took a long time to convince her that this man did not love her and was abussing her. She was too young to fully understand what was happening. She was struggling with so many other things that I wasn't aware of. She had a wonderful teacher in high school that counseled her and helped her to convide in me what she was struggling with. In her mind she thought she had lost her dad's support and did want to risk losing me.
That was never going to happen.

Edited to add im so sorry you did not get the support you so desperately needed. I suspect your struggles were similar to my daughter's. I will be forever grateful to my daughter's teacher in convincing her to trust me .

Dan

(4,903 posts)
9. Well, given the GOP love of Trump
Thu Jul 31, 2025, 09:47 PM
Jul 31

I am sure that they will get in line to send their daughters and sisters to Trump’s brothel, sorry Mar-a-Lago.

Aristus

(70,983 posts)
14. It won't take down America.
Fri Aug 1, 2025, 01:45 PM
Aug 1

If it could take down Trump, it would save America. But it won't. Trump is so slippery, he makes "Teflon Ron" Reagan look like flypaper.

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