Can you excerpt the details of this claim and put it in this thread, so I don't have to spend half an hour digging through this guy's postings to find it?

Detroit, Ann Arbor...

I know 2026 2028 ... seems like this should be up front and center.
Makes me so effing angry we were scammed.

that we can never have a free and fair election again? In recent years, it feels like there has been overwhelming evidence of election fraud and voter suppression. Yet it only seems to get worse. Unfortunately reasonable solutions are often in the hands of those who are trying to cheat.

interests responsible for burying the audit.”

Who are these people? Why did they bury the audit? I have never understood why the obvious theft of the 2024 election has not been exposed or at least contested. There seemed to be an immediate code of silence imposed from the first day. What could be any worse than what we are going through now?

Somebody just made it up for clicks.

The NSA would have zero role in anything to do with elections, other than if they picked up foreign communications about election interference and passed that info to the relevant agencies.. They sure wouldn't be part of any audit.

And if they were involved in an audit, you can bet it would be classified because they would be so far out of their lane, legally speaking.

But that doesn’t mean that the election wasn’t stolen. This guy could be a nut; I have no idea, but I don’t instinctively write off alleged nuts anymore, especially when it comes to allegations against the right wing.

If someone had told you twenty years ago that the American people would eventually elect as President not once but twice an illiterate Russian operative who is a pedophile and a rapist and who wants to destroy America and imprison American citizens in concentration camps would you have believed it? And would you have believed that an evil cabal of juvenile ‘tech bros’ led by someone who calls himself Mencius Moldbug would have been able to literally buy the Presidency? And yet here we are. Truth is a hard thing to come by anymore.

Would you have believed it?

Doesn’t mean Reagan stole two elections.

Not nearly as implausible as our current situation.

And nobody ever said that it did.

.... this kookie q anon bull shit would ever get so much support on DU. That doesn't change the fact that it does. Or should I make up some story about how DU was hacked to explain it?

Believable or not, now or then, it makes no difference. There is no evidence that the election was stolen, and "not believing it" is not evidence. It's bull shit.

Here's what he said:

In December 2024, I was personally involved in an NSA-authorized forensic audit of the 2024 election.
https://thiswillhold.substack.com/p/ex-cia-whistleblower-the-nsa-audited

Or maybe it's just because I'm an experienced writer of advertising copy and also legal documents. Do you not see what he did?

To me it's obvious. This is very careful wording. It does not say the NSA did the audit, so therefore "there is no NSA audit" means you passed on a careful, critical reading. Regardless of whether the NSA did it or another entity did it, it would still be referred to as an NSA audit or an NSA-authorized audit.

The NSA authorized it. That doesn't mean they did it. It could mean they commissioned it.

How they would do that is another story which you can start a thread on if you wish, but it's not to the point for my purposes, so I won't belabor it.

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Additional comment, not related to your post but relevant to my point that it is worded very carefully (or even stealthily) if you wish to impugn motive:

He said he was "personally involved." That doesn't mean he was an employee of the CIA at the time, which he was not. I believe I read where his employment with them ended in 2022. Personally involved could mean he referred the people who actually did the audit. That is just an example, because "personally involved" has very broad coverage.
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So to summarize, you threw out an accusation which did not involve a careful reading. There is somethng to be gleaned from a careful reading of this statement, especially when it is combined with his other work, which takes substantial time to review. I have just glanced over it and am unwilling to make an opinion on it until I read more carefully.

show us in writing where it says that. .gov site preferred.

…whose role is to collect, process, and disseminate SIGINT to IC and international partners isn’t going to create a written policy saying “we don’t authorize election audits” when nothing in their mission is related to election audits.

You don't understand how it works.

Find me the specific description for NSA at a government web site that backs up your statement. I don't want to hear any more of your interpretations of someone else's post from another site on the internet. I want to see that you consulted an actual government web site for information that is relevant to this situation.

It should also specifically state that the NSA cannot commission or be involved in any kind of an election audit.

It is, btw, irrelevant to my point, which you obviously didn't understand either.

and I’m telling you it doesn’t exist because there would be no reason for it to exist.

No idea what you mean about “someone else’s post from another website”; what I know about NSA and what they do ( and don’t do) comes from years of actual work with NSA, and access to policies on websites that I doubt you have the clearance or access to see.

If you want to believe the tripe in the OP videos, have at it, but it serves no purpose other than avoiding what we as a party actually need to do in order to win.

why would I believe you, some rando poster on the internet. You have to back up your statement to be taken seriously.

You can't do what I asked you to and if there's even a shred of truth about having ever worked with them or being within a block of their offices, you could do that--but you are unable to do so.

The lengths to which some people will go to lie to themselves in order to justify a belief is endlessly fascinating.

My favorite part is where you were asked to show a .gov site that lists things the NSA doesn’t do. Pure comedy.

I admire your patience and restraint. 🤯

Is in order for you, too.

Has it not occurred to you that the mission statement allows one to deduce?

I'm not taking a position on this "investigation" because I have only followed the first two installments. But what you're saying is exactly right in terms of highlighting the discrepancy between what the author actually says and what he attempts to imply.

1. "personally involved" means what? "involved in" is one of the most elusive phrases in the English language. I was personally involved in the campaign of Kamala Harris... by donating to her campaign! I was personally involved in advising Kamala Harris.... in an email she never saw. (You can find self-delusory tricks like this everywhere online).
2. "NSA-Authorized" means what? (especially this one)
3. What does "authorized" even mean in this context? It could be a person who putatively works for the NSA (or even ex-NSA) told the author on a phone call that he liked the idea of auditing the 2024 election.

It's kind of fun to examine text in this way, but often leads to disappointment.

exist because the story is bullshit.
Does anyone think if it could be proven that no Democrat would have brought this to light? Hell, half of the Republicans would have used it against him if they had the opportunity. Everyone despises this guy.

Shine a bright as F spotlight on this clown!

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Its great to march, call our reps, sign petitions, all for whichever issue we're speaking out about. However, fighting any other issues other than for every vote be secured, election oversight by the UN at this point, will keep us exactly where we are right now. Forever fighting for scraps, all the while never having the power to make change, progress, and headway within our country. All because our elections are not transparent and safe.

Right now the right and left are UNITED in one way. That is, if the other party wins an election, NEITHER side will believe it!!

That's the real fight.

Just reading the headlines tells me the author is delusional.

“How get her (Harris) in there (the WH)”

“How Colbert and Rosie O’Donnell can save the world”

Good Lord.

2024 Denialism is just as fact-free as 2020 Denialism.

(Forensic Statistical Analysis is not evidence of election fraud)

NONE of that is as kooky as having that fascist orange POS playing "president"

And it’s reality.

…and Trump with the microphone.

Now she’s in prison.

get the result one wants, one deals with it.

The OTHER way to deal with this is to make a separate OP in which one displays one's sense of superiority and complains about DU.

He falsely accuses Democrats of “burying” the report

It takes a special kind of stupid to believe this stuff.

Why did our party not jump up and down and scream loudly over and over and over and over about this? Like the crazy lunatics on the right who just spew lies and feel that if they say it enough, it’s actually true. I feel like our party has absolutely no backbone or grit.

I’m asking why they were not more strident and question the results on a consistent basis and demand numerous recounts like the other side has done. I just feel like we accepted the supposed result and rolled over and gave up.

Were they in on the plot too? How much did Trump pay them?

That's not what the NSA does. End of story.

It also strikes me that the headline claims that a CIA whistleblower is making this claim??? How does someone in a federal agency not associated with the NSA even know that the NSA was involved in the audit? And that the audit was buried by Democrats? This shit is getting up there into Qanon territory...... what's next "NSAanon drops"????

...as part of the intelligence community.

But that doesn't change the fact that is just plain nutty stuff.

And "auditing" elections like this is definitely NOT part of the NSA mission. Not even close.

Of my own heart to it.

Iʻm thankful for the red flags and for your response to pull me back from believing someone telling me what I want to hear. Aloha MineralMan.

All the evidence you should need is in the number of people at the Harris/Walz rallies!

The democratic rallies drew 2-30 times trumps rallies had.

We've been fucked by the rich and the republicans.

TRUMP STOLE THE 2024 ELECTION!

If we, the republicans, say it first and often, the Democrats won't be able to say it when WE STEAL THE ELECTION!

If we are fighting with the Queensberry rules, and they are biting your ears, gouging your eyes and kicking you in the balls, you need to change your tactics, or you're going to lose!

We lost. It's time to change our tactics!

Just go away.

They don't have to watch his boring speeches to be motivated by his agenda.

Yup, You had Musk using his DTC technology to make sue that the outcome was “a done deal and Peter Theil with his digital janitorial services making sure that their were no evidence of deleted or flipped votes.

Google
Eaton and Tripp Lite
Eaton and Palantir
Theil, Palantir, and digital janitor
Starlink, DTC, and low earth orbit satellites

flat earth
the moon landing was faked
Elvis isn't dead
Trump won in 2020
There's a child sex ring run out of a DC pizza place
Climate change is fake
Trickle down economics works
Something about nanotrackers in the covid vaccines
Vaccines cause autism
Obama is a Kenyan Muslim socialist communist

The "evidence" put forth for the 2024 election being stolen is just as real as the evidence of all the others listed above.

Eaton signs agreement to acquire Tripp Lite, expanding Eaton’s power quality business in the Americas

https://www.eaton.com/us/en-us/company/news-insights/news-releases/2021/eaton-signs-agreement-to-acquire-tripp-lite--expanding-eaton-s-p.html

Eaton deepens partnership with Palantir to enhance AI use in operations

The phrase "digital janitor" is used in the context of Palantir to describe its role in cleaning, organizing, and preparing vast and complex datasets for analysis and operational use. (People could vote but that
vote could be nulled out and Theil & Palantir’s digital janitor program would hide that vote going away
and then later republicans could claim that Harris just didn’t get the voters)

Starlink Direct-to-Cell (DTC) is a service developed by SpaceX that enables unmodified cellphones to connect to the internet via Starlink satellites in low Earth orbit (LEO). These satellites act as cell towers in space, providing connectivity to remote areas where traditional cellular networks don't reach.

Musk on Joe Rogan, “I have a special application that lets me see the vote early.” Rough quote.

What can't be done is find proof of the allegations. And what I can't do is find any evidence of the stuff that people claim about the election conspiracies given so far they've all been false. Bullet ballots, false. Various claims about how utterly unheard of that an isolated district might vote for just one candidate, false. Claims that it's unheard of that a candidate could win all the swing states, false. Pointing out that it would have required elected Democrats being complacent, well then we get to this, the NSA sponsored nonsense which can't be disproven because there's nothing to suggest it exists. Which is exactly where conspiracy theories inevitably end up.

….voting for President.

...how people cling to "facts" that are so easily proven false.

You can find examples where a down ticket Democrat got more votes than Harris, but I double checked the totals for the presidential race and the highest down ballot race in the swing states and not one time were there more votes for the down ticket race in total.

So please point us to the states where this happened. And no just because the Democrat running for governor in North Carolina who comfortably beat the self described black nazi while Harris lost doesn't count because split ticket voting is a thing.

1. This guy is a nutcase,

2. The story is 100% bullshit.

DU needs to remove this crap because it makes us look as nutty as Republicans.

agree more. There seems to be an increase in this type of thing since the Epstein issue came up.

I bet it hits #1 and gets at least 150 recs.

What nonsense.

Like this was true, wave a wand and end this horrible nightmare.

Collectively in mass anxiety and don't want to accept the evil world we have been thrust into.

Getting stuck in denial can worsen and prolong one’s suffering.

Friend whose husband died almost 3 years ago, she is around 40. I have watched her go from a happy confident woman to a grief stricken wife that can't move on at all even refusing to go to a memorial service done by his friends a year later because she wasn't ready. It's very sad but easy to get stuck in our grief when we have strong feelings.

That means they can steal the next election and the one after that.

First it would mean many elected Democrats were in on it and that's bad.

Second it's easier to get people to vote differently next time rather than trying to fight against a giant conspiracy where many elected Democrats are in on it.

Third, if we wave a magic wand it takes away from the work which itself has value in that it will help build the party infrastructure and help us adapt to a changing electorate. But also a magic wand wouldn't just go one way. Next time Republicans could have it and we'd have no defense.

will be along shortly to dismiss all of this. It is why they are here..

you are a Trump supporter?

Does that sound like something a sane and rational person would say?

.... why would all this BS be the go-to explanation?

No wonder they want to restrict everything but in person voting. I hope to God they don’t win that effort.

This post is not truthful and not grounded in fact or reason though.

By the rethugs making it so hard for a person to vote, it's OUR DUTY to make God dam sure our votes get counted. (and NOT the last day or week even)

The changes was actually a “de minimis”, if you're just changing some typo.
But changing the configuration to ignore the HASH calculation is not “de minimis”.
They also mentioned Amendment 14

So didn't Hillary. Why didn't Dems fight back harder these last two times? Republicans have been known to steal elections, from Nixon's interfering in Lyndon Johnson's deal to end the Vietnam War to Reagan making a deal with the Iranians so the hostages wouldn't be freed until after the election, to George W. Bush (twice.)

election. Do you agree?

The truth is no simpler than that Harris had no intention of wasting millions and millions of dollars from her supporters hard earned money to chase some unhinged conspiracy theory.

Would you have preferred Harris and her team spread knowingly false conspiracy theories about the election like Trump did in 2020?

Bizarre stuff.

are being blocked and ignored.

I have seen that Kamala lost 3.5 million votes due to voter suppression. Something about individuals can challenge someone’s vote and then they have to do something to prove they are an eligible voter, which few people do so they throw the vote out. Google Greg Palast if you want to know more.

Try again tomorrow.

there were plenty of statistical anomalies in the election. Only in the swing states did Trump get late same day surges in votes, only in swing states.

The odds of Harris not flipping one red precinct to blue are off the chart.

My post doesn't prove the election was rigged, it simply states factual statistics that make you go hmm.

Wish Pa. would have done a hand count forensic audit for Senator I believe.

Making fun of people accusing Republicans of cheating makes me laugh, not saying I agree. We have the Kerry - Bush election where vote tabulations were routed from Ohio to a ware shed in Tennessee. They even caught the programmer who flipped the votes. He was headed to Washington to testify before Congress when his small plane crashed, or was that a conspiracy theory too?

Republicans cheat to win, whether it be purging millions of Democrats from voting rolls, calling in bomb threats to Democratic voting sites, not having enough voting machines in Democratic sites, gerrymandering, stopping the vote count so that the Supreme Court can pick the president.

Oh dear, all of these Democrats who accuse Republicans of cheating are no better than Republicans. Riight!

…with info that shows only in swing states Trump had late same day surges ?

And we're supposed to believe that the election was totally pristine like the virgin new snow.

Not buying it.

I have been on this bandwagon since election day. I have been calling (screaming) for paper ballot hand recounts.

Here's the problem - the Dems refuse to question the election. They are hung up on not being "election deniers"...Jeffries said so.

The grifter uses reverse ("I know you are but what am I?&quot psyops.

I ask the question (often) - how do we deal with an illegitimate election that has paved the way for SO much destruction?

If it were merely an illegitimate election with a run of the mill crappy Prez...it's one thing. (Yes, 2004 - I'm looking at you.)

BUT!