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California redistricting: (Original Post) applegrove Jul 31 OP
We are heading into war Metaphorical Jul 31 #1
California is gonna have a hard time ITAL Jul 31 #2
Fuck that FHRRK Jul 31 #10
I mean a constitution is a constitution ITAL Jul 31 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jul 31 #13
Which are typically ITAL Jul 31 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jul 31 #16
Playing by old rules FHRRK Jul 31 #20
Well ITAL Jul 31 #21
when a party philosophy is bipartisan at any cost and be nice to the oppostion no matter the outcome.... nt msongs Jul 31 #3
Forget about gerrymandering Mass. It isn't worth the effort. jmowreader Jul 31 #4
They'll have to get it on the ballot fujiyamasan Jul 31 #5
The year we banned gay marriage Bluesaph Jul 31 #15
You're probably correct fujiyamasan Jul 31 #22
Newsom talking about it helps Bluesaph Aug 1 #23
I was bored today and did some research... SickOfTheOnePct Jul 31 #8
Republicans are sadistic psychopaths who enjoy taking candy from babies. Initech Jul 31 #18
Maddow Blog-As GOP's radical Texas map is unveiled, Vance picks odd time to whine about gerrymandering LetMyPeopleVote Jul 31 #6
Yes ! dweller Jul 31 #9
When looking at percentage of seats... SickOfTheOnePct Jul 31 #12
My eyes almost rolled out of their sockets vanlassie Aug 1 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jul 31 #7
Here is the problem of California... Xolodno Jul 31 #17
Remember the adage of WWII. Most of the german people applegrove Jul 31 #19

Metaphorical

(2,522 posts)
1. We are heading into war
Thu Jul 31, 2025, 07:49 PM
Jul 31

Texas is, with the encouragement of Trump, making no bones about gerrymandering, and with it, I fully expect to see other states on both sides of the divide do the same. California, New York, New Jersey, Illinois and Massachusetts (with the possibility that Washington and Oregon could go that direction though they'd have to pass other laws first) could very well follow suit. Florida and Texas are already gerrymandered about as far as they can, Ohio and Missouri are close. The Supreme Court really can't rule on this, because if it ruled what California is doing is illegal, it means Texas can't gerrymander either.

Each step is making it just that much clearer that we really can't go back. The Trump administration is openly ignoring the courts now, knowing that it has the Supreme Court effectively captured, and it is becoming increasingly obvious that they will do everything they can to lock in their control by any means possible.

ITAL

(1,203 posts)
2. California is gonna have a hard time
Thu Jul 31, 2025, 07:51 PM
Jul 31

Last edited Thu Jul 31, 2025, 08:24 PM - Edit history (1)

Having a bipartisan redistricting commission is in the state constitution here. I know Newsom and co are looking at ways to get around that, but it's not gonna be easy.

FHRRK

(1,209 posts)
10. Fuck that
Thu Jul 31, 2025, 08:22 PM
Jul 31

We have a super majority

Fuck any court that tries to stop it

People need to realize we are at war.

ITAL

(1,203 posts)
11. I mean a constitution is a constitution
Thu Jul 31, 2025, 08:29 PM
Jul 31

The State Supreme Court, even with a 6/1 liberal advantage would likely strike it down. I mean the people literally voted for that commission a few years ago by proposition.

Response to ITAL (Reply #11)

ITAL

(1,203 posts)
14. Which are typically
Thu Jul 31, 2025, 08:43 PM
Jul 31

Placed on the general election ballot in November of a typical election year...or November 2026 which would be too late. We could possibly get it on the ballot by the primary elections if they get cracking.

Response to ITAL (Reply #14)

FHRRK

(1,209 posts)
20. Playing by old rules
Thu Jul 31, 2025, 09:08 PM
Jul 31

While Repukes are shitting on the Constitution is a sure way to lose.

Again, Fuck That!

ITAL

(1,203 posts)
21. Well
Thu Jul 31, 2025, 09:32 PM
Jul 31

Ignoring what people actually voted for is not exactly what we want to be doing. Just have to hope a new ballot initiative can be done in time...AND hope that it passes.

msongs

(72,557 posts)
3. when a party philosophy is bipartisan at any cost and be nice to the oppostion no matter the outcome.... nt
Thu Jul 31, 2025, 07:52 PM
Jul 31

jmowreader

(52,684 posts)
4. Forget about gerrymandering Mass. It isn't worth the effort.
Thu Jul 31, 2025, 07:52 PM
Jul 31

Mass has nine congressional districts and they are all represented by Democrats.

fujiyamasan

(724 posts)
5. They'll have to get it on the ballot
Thu Jul 31, 2025, 07:56 PM
Jul 31

That’s my guess anyway. The redistrcting commission was passed by voters in 2008.

Bluesaph

(983 posts)
15. The year we banned gay marriage
Thu Jul 31, 2025, 08:44 PM
Jul 31

Prop 8 drove millions of hatevangelicals to the polls.

If the bipartisan commission came up for a recall now it would pass!

fujiyamasan

(724 posts)
22. You're probably correct
Thu Jul 31, 2025, 10:21 PM
Jul 31

2008 was weird in that sense in this state. Obama won with 61%, but prop hate still won.

The referendum would probably pass, but it depends on how it’s sold to the public.

Bluesaph

(983 posts)
23. Newsom talking about it helps
Fri Aug 1, 2025, 01:42 AM
Aug 1

He’s taking the fight on and killing it with all his interviews. I wish he’d go on Joe Rogan!

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,679 posts)
8. I was bored today and did some research...
Thu Jul 31, 2025, 08:14 PM
Jul 31

...and with the help of Excel some math...

Taking out the states (and DC) that only have one Representative, then looking at the percentage each party got in the 2024 House elections v. the % of House seats that each party won, Florida, Texas, Ohio, and Missouri are less gerrymandered than California, New Jersey, Illinois, Massachusetts, Oregon, and Washington. New York is actually the state that is currently closest to the vote count matching the House seats (~58% Dem House seats and ~57% Dem votes for House seats).

The best bet for picking up a large number of seats, given California's constitutional amendment on reapportionment, is New York, as it's the least gerrymandered, and has 11 Republican seats right now.

Initech

(106,438 posts)
18. Republicans are sadistic psychopaths who enjoy taking candy from babies.
Thu Jul 31, 2025, 08:55 PM
Jul 31

We can't fight them with strongly worded letters. I'm tired of seeing Fox and MAGA take everything from us and destroying our freedoms.

LetMyPeopleVote

(170,559 posts)
6. Maddow Blog-As GOP's radical Texas map is unveiled, Vance picks odd time to whine about gerrymandering
Thu Jul 31, 2025, 07:58 PM
Jul 31

Why complain about gerrymandering on the same afternoon that JD Vance's own party advanced a closely watched gerrymandering scheme at his boss’ behest?

As GOP's radical Texas map is unveiled, Vance picks odd time to whine about gerrymandering.

Why complain about gerrymandering on the same afternoon that JD Vance's own party advanced a closely watched gerrymandering scheme at his boss’ behest?

By @stevebenen.com

[The Great War & Modern Memory] (@ps9714.bsky.social) 2025-07-31T14:36:23.755Z



https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/gops-radical-texas-map-unveiled-vance-picks-odd-time-whine-gerrymander-rcna222170

Partisan legislators are doing precisely what they were instructed to do. NBC News reported:

Texas Republicans released a proposed new congressional map Wednesday that would give the GOP a path to pick up five seats in next year’s midterm elections. The proposal, which follows President Donald Trump’s public pressing for a new map in the state, would shift district lines in ways that would target current Democratic members of Congress in districts in and around Austin, Dallas and Houston, as well as two already endangered Democrats representing South Texas districts that Trump carried last year.


....A couple of hours before Texas Republicans unveiled their draft map, JD Vance took the opportunity to weigh in on the debate — by, oddly enough, complaining about gerrymandering.

“The gerrymander in California is outrageous,” the vice president wrote via social media. “Of their 52 congressional districts, 9 of them are Republican. That means 17 percent of their delegation is Republican when Republicans regularly win 40 percent of the vote in that state. How can this possibly be allowed?”

So, a few things.

First, California’s map really isn’t that bad, as gerrymanders go, but in light of the Texas Republicans’ scheme, it might soon become a lot more slanted.

Second, if Vance is looking for some truly outrageous gerrymandering, I’d direct his attention to the Republican-drawn maps in states such as North Carolina, Wisconsin and Vance’s adopted home state of Ohio.

Third, while it’s certainly true that Democrats in blue states have drawn some gerrymandered maps — there are no angels here — it was congressional Democrats who proposed doing away with partisan gerrymandering altogether in a democracy-reform package unveiled in 2021. Republicans rejected it — even though it would’ve created a level playing field for both parties. (If readers were curious, Vance didn’t vote on the bill: It was unveiled four years ago, and the vice president’s career in elected office only began two-and-a-half years ago.)

“How can this possibly be allowed?” the vice president asked, referring to partisan district lines. The answer is, “Because your party has blocked reform efforts.”

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,679 posts)
12. When looking at percentage of seats...
Thu Jul 31, 2025, 08:34 PM
Jul 31

...and percentage of votes, North Carolina is barely gerrymandered, and it actually works to the Democrats' favor.

vanlassie

(6,148 posts)
24. My eyes almost rolled out of their sockets
Fri Aug 1, 2025, 01:53 AM
Aug 1

when I read Vance’s “How can this possibly be allowed” whine.

He has to be the DUMBEST of the dumb. That must be why Newsom called him “dum-dum!”

Response to applegrove (Original post)

applegrove

(128,448 posts)
19. Remember the adage of WWII. Most of the german people
Thu Jul 31, 2025, 09:00 PM
Jul 31

followed the rules in WWII. You know who did not follow the rules? The French Resistance.

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