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DFW

(59,025 posts)
Thu Jul 31, 2025, 08:49 AM Jul 31

We met a rare exception last night, so I did Rubio's job for him

In Provincetown, MA last night, we decided to “eat street.” There is a fast food place near the harbor that offers decent quality Cape Cod fare—clam chowder, clam strips, scallops, pretty much what you’d expect.

Not readily visible is a small wooden stairway that leads to a patio dining area with good sized tables and chairs. There was a family at the front table, and my wife, who went up first, asked if they could temporarily move their chairs so she could get by. They understood what she wanted, but didn’t understand a word she said. She tried English and German. When I got up there, she asked me to say a word of thanks in “whatever it was they were speaking.” I listened for a few seconds, and was surprised to hear Italian.

I asked them how it was that they had come to visit Provincetown. They said they had flown from Italy to New York, visited New York, then Boston, and then rented a car and traveled the length of Cape Cod, which they had read about. It seemed like at least two families, since there seemed to be more than ten of them. We thought it unusual that none of them understood enough English to communicate, but I speak Italian so I had no problem. My poor wife was left in the dark, of course, but I translated.

I have no idea what their reception was when entering the USA at JFK (that’s Trump International Airport for any Republican members of Congress who might read this), or anywhere else along their trip. In the North End of Boston, you can always find someone who speaks Italian, although in Provincetown you’re better off with Bulgarian (not a joke!). But we had a great little chat, and they were all smiles as they headed off. It’s a rarity to meet up with groups of European tourists who don’t know any English, but it didn’t seem to faze these people at all (good for them!).

From the one thread about Las Vegas, Rubio’s State Department doesn’t seem to consider it a priority to encourage tourism to the USA—apparently Rubio never talks to the Commerce Department or the Treasury Department. But the owners of small food stands in tourist areas sure as hell know how vital visitors are. At least here on Cape Cod, they seem content. We noticed that one shack, known for its pricey (but generous) lobster rolls, had two lines ten people deep out the door. We know from previous years that the owners are from Québec. I guess Cape Cod, lacking the concentration of wealthy Democratic donors found on Martha’s Vineyard and Nantucket, is not yet on Trump’s, Noem’s or Gabbard’s radar for cultural and economic destruction.

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Haggard Celine

(17,475 posts)
1. Sounds wonderful!
Thu Jul 31, 2025, 09:05 AM
Jul 31

One of these days I'm going to visit Cape Cod. I've never been to New England, but I've always wanted to go. Thanks for making our tourists feel welcome. I love to meet tourists from other countries. We don't see too many down here. I love to ask them what they think about all of it. They always have something interesting, and often funny, to say.

JustAnotherGen

(37,120 posts)
2. I love this
Thu Jul 31, 2025, 09:09 AM
Jul 31

I might have eaten there before the 4th. We were there a few days. And correct about North Boston.

But P-Town? This is up there with NOLA for me now - and my Maltese is welcome everywhere.

Diamond_Dog

(38,601 posts)
3. That's a great story!
Thu Jul 31, 2025, 09:09 AM
Jul 31

I also love meeting people who are visiting from other countries. (Those folks were pretty brave coming here for vacation in the current political chaos!). Thank you for being a gracious ambassador for America. Now they will see not all Americans are loud, selfish, dimwits.

DFW

(59,025 posts)
10. That is exactly the message I try to get across
Thu Jul 31, 2025, 07:30 PM
Jul 31

I be never know for sure if I was successful, but if they part with smiles on their faces, I have reason for hope.

DFW

(59,025 posts)
9. We buy regularly at their Truro location
Thu Jul 31, 2025, 04:35 PM
Jul 31

We agree--good stuff, and fresh off the boat! We buy either there or from Mac's in Wellfleet.

CaliforniaPeggy

(155,216 posts)
5. What a great story, my dear DFW! They were lucky to have you in their midst. A beautiful encounter. n/t
Thu Jul 31, 2025, 10:35 AM
Jul 31

Vinca

(52,744 posts)
6. Interesting story, but I shouldn't have read it so close to lunchtime.
Thu Jul 31, 2025, 11:19 AM
Jul 31

I'm now craving lobsters and clams.

DFW

(59,025 posts)
11. My apologies
Thu Jul 31, 2025, 07:36 PM
Jul 31

I’m in the States for the moment, so none of the usual 6 or 7 hour time difference.

rubbersole

(10,632 posts)
7. Let me guess...
Thu Jul 31, 2025, 11:53 AM
Jul 31

...you ordered chowder and scallops.
(Is there anything you aren't capable of doing well?)

DFW

(59,025 posts)
12. OK, I wanna know RIGHT NOW
Thu Jul 31, 2025, 07:41 PM
Jul 31

Were you standing right behind me?

No way you were working the cashier because that was a young Bulgarian student named Iva, and I spoke to her half the time in Bulgarian, which I’m betting you don’t speak. So, spill the beans!

rubbersole

(10,632 posts)
14. I heard the life expectancy for women was 8 years longer than for men.
Fri Aug 1, 2025, 01:27 AM
Aug 1

So I transitioned. I go by Iva and have Laura Loomer's cosmetic surgeon. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. (Oh, and on my genius visa application I put down that I could speak 5 languages.)

NNadir

(36,652 posts)
8. My wife's grandmother lived in the United States for more than half a century and never learned any more English than...
Thu Jul 31, 2025, 12:17 PM
Jul 31

...hello. She lived in an Italian enclave in Brooklyn.

My son, to whom we gave my wife's beautiful Italian surname, won a scientific award and was invited by the Italian government to tour Italian industrial plants. He got by OK, he picks up languages fairly quickly, and has fluent French, passable Spanish, reading and speaking Chinese, some Japanese, some Russian. Because of his name, everybody assumed, in Italy,, that he was Italian. The Italian professors and graduate students where he is working on his Ph.D. love to say his full name whenever they address him, and I believe he's learning Italian from them.

Until recently Italy was a "no nukes" country and so Italian nuclear engineers all left the country for the United States, then a civilized country, and many were educated here. It's a shame, since Italy's greatest scientist of the 20th century, Enrico Fermi, built the very first nuclear reactor, albeit in the United States, since he was forced to leave Italy for having a Jewish wife. The Italian nuclear moratorium has just been reversed, since they recognize how the absence of nuclear infrastructure is destroying the atmosphere, and my son, who is seriously thinking of emigrating to Europe after graduation, might consider ramping up his Italian. (Unfortunately my father-in-law never taught his daughters Italian.) Right now France is mostly on his radar. He may end up marrying his girlfriend, also a nuclear engineer, and she, like many Americans is more or less monolingual, so he's teaching her French. It wouldn't be a bad idea to exercise his Chinese, I think. China is the world's leading country now in nuclear engineering; they have the power to save the world.

When my son was sent to France after his freshman undergraduate year on an NSF grant, I told them to not allow them to speak English to him, so that he could practice regular conversation, which as a marginal French speaker myself, I often find difficult, hearing French. It turned out that most of the grad students and post-docs in the lab in which he worked were from Brazil, and everyone spoke English as a common language to communicate with the French. Thus he could only speak French outside the lab. (The lab was in Limoges, a ceramic science center, apparently.) He did pick up some Portuguese in the lab and during social events outside with is colleagues, based on the similarity to Spanish. His Spanish, of course, helped with Italian.

He went to Montreal recently with some friends, and he acted as translator; he had few problems.

I think it's terrible that most Americans only speak one language. It is a huge disadvantage in business negotiations. The problem is that English is spoken throughout the world, and has become a de facto Esperanto. I don't know how many times in France, when I'd start to struggle, particularly when tired or jet lagged, for my limitations, they'd say, "It's OK, you can speak English."

I'm trying to restart working on my French, in case my son goes there to live. I've been trying to put in some time translating Camus' La Peste, and as I do so, I recognize how awful the English translation I have actually is. My son, picked up in Montreal, Orwell's prescient 1984 translated into French. I thought it would be fun to translate the French translation back into English, like the child's game "Telephone." Neither of us will have the time. I, of course, am running out of time on the planet. There are so many things I want to learn before I go, and I have to prioritize. I want to die feeling that I've stuffed my brain fully, expiation for my wasted, sybaritic, youth.

My son doesn't speak German, and my German is atrocious, although I can get by reading it, particularly scientific German. In the old days, when I was young, it was a requirement for chemists to speak or at least read German. That is no longer true. I've done a little work in the past working with translating Hesse's beautiful Demian, but I set it aside years ago. I do take my deepest personal peace, my sense of why it is wonderful to be alive at all, from a passage in the prologue.

English is pretty much the world standard language in science. Whether that remains true after the collapse of the United States that is now underway, remains to be seen. Latin lasted as Lingua Franca long after Rome fell; this may not prove true for English. German didn't last long as the scientific Lingua Franca after Hitler dismantled most science, with most scientific refugees coming to the United States, hence the rise of English. There are some famous European scientists buried here in Princeton.

I won't live long enough to find out how long English remains Lingua Franca, which in some sense is a relief, since seeing the collapse of the United States via the work of mindless morons led by an ignorant orange pedophile, would cause me and is causing me great emotional suffering.

NNadir

(36,652 posts)
15. Thank you for your kind words. I'm...
Fri Aug 1, 2025, 10:59 AM
Aug 1

...not planning to die soon, but on the other hand, at my age one feels one's mortality.

We joke in my family about how my matrilineal family, my aunts and uncles and my mother, spent their whole lives talking about dying. This may have been the result of my grandmother's death at an early age - when my mother was eleven - from an a bacterial disease that today would be cured with an antibiotic.

They are, in fact, all dead themselves. Some of their children are dead.

I embraced this somewhat nonsensical approach to life myself more after my mother, consistent with her focus, died when she was 51.

I've outlived both my parents ages when they died, so there's that.

There was a period in my life where I seriously considered suicide, and now that life seems so beautiful and worth living I'm struck with horror to think what I might have missed, specifically the joy of loving my wife.

I'll hang on as long as I can, but again, I feel my mortality. It is a good thing that we do not live forever, I think. It makes life more precious and inspires one to use one's time more wisely.

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