The Democratic Party is at 38% overall with registered voters.

With Democrats, it is 80%

With independents it is 23%

Both parties have a problem with independents. We are a little worse.

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... when you said, "Nearly every off-year election and special election has shown that Democrats overperform"

And THAT is exactly why 90% of the national Dems are intentionally NOT fighting. They figure they can simply lay low and let the pendulum swing their way the next time.

And this is EXACTLY why we need to be primarying every last one who thinks that way.

Refusing to fight now is malpractice.

We can fight to our heart's content, but ultimately more voters have to buy what we are selling...Right now, they don't.

as a consequence chose to vote for Trump? If you want people to vote for your candidate it's probably best to at least pretend that you do not feel condescending towards them.

That’s on them . Stop coddling these people. No one is calling them stupid but republicans. He loves the uneducated. You can kiss their asses and they will still vote for the leopard.

Are they talking about a sentence taken out of context that people cry about like babies for the rest of their lives because they won't look it up? They'll ruin their lives because they're so passionate and steadfast in their religious belief that Democrats are mean to them personally -- their family and community don't matter -- only their imaginary hurt feelings that they are told to have?

Carter, Clinton, Obama, Hillary, Biden, Harris: all wealthy upper class 1% out-of-touch coastal elites who have no idea what economic and social inequality is. Oh wait! Bullshit! But yeah, don't vote for Democrats because of some vague passive-aggressive propaganda you heard somewhere.

to knowing this country is stupid as $hit.

the best polls are plus or minus 3%.
the best.
but. it was what the media goes by.
sad

they get exalted from the rooftops as being prescient beyond measure.

We are working to get out the vote. Sears is an uneducated nut. We’re not going for that.

I think that they/ are, at best. a snapshot

everyday. Plus, all polls are not created equal and so should not all be painted with a broad brush but viewed with discernment.

it matters thqt the imprtsnt people believe
what ai think - a nobody -mdoes not matter

Our party leadership reminds me of Merrick Garland.

We are letting Trump define Democrats, as we let Trump define Joe Biden and Hilary Clinton.

So my point is that Democrats need a plan to change that.

health care , education etc. Ask them specifically what their problem is with the position. They will be exposed as being clueless . Most of their political news is just stupid memes .

They are angry because Donald Trump pisses on their leg every day and the Democrats don't stop him.

Are a drag on the Party right now. There repeated votes that help Republicans move their agenda forward is seen as a negative.

have a negative opinion of Democrats because they don't fight Trump hard enough.

They will vote for Democrats in the elections I described. And they have been.

But Senate Democrats have lost a lot of trust with Democratic voters. We lost one Manchin but seem to have gained 9-12 more.

However, what's the alternative?

Sure, we got rid of Manchin, but we gained a MAGA Republican. As bad as Manchin was, he still caucused with us.

Too many variables, for one thing. How did they ask the question about approval? Who did they ask? How big was the sample? When was the poll taken? Who did it? What's their bias?

I don't have any problem believing there's a problem with numbers for Democrats in Congress. If you asked me if I approve of the job they are doing in Congress, I would say no. That doesn't mean I will stay home from the next election, or vote for the other side. It just means that I am frustrated with the lack of initiative and concern that many of our politicians are showing, and their side of self-preservation that is showing badly.

If they got in the way of this jackass agenda the way Republicans messed up and got in the way of Obama's agenda in 2008, I'd be a lot happier. If they'd have done what they could have, with risk sure, but still within the possibilities, when they controlled both houses, we would not be having these discussions here now.. Democrats need to reform their party, get rid of the old school thinking and of tactics equated with bringing a knife to a gunfight, and start fighting back. Be bold, take risks, get rid of the "get in line and the reward is for endurance and paying party dues" crap that is preventing the kind of progressive thinking necessary to win elections, especially on the national scale.

Now climb back under your fascist rock.

to come along in a while. While I don't doubt that a lot of the relatively politically naive buy into it - it completely ignores the facts on the ground, and that being that the Republican party currently has effective control of all three branches of government. That's just plain fact. And, in practical terms - that leaves the Ds with very few levers in which to pull. And all of the woulda', shoulda', coulda' in the world, doesn't get around the fact that they are essentially (and in very practical terms) boxed out of power.

But, by all means - let's go ahead and keep hammering the 'Democrats not fighting' card. It'll undoubtedly be a big winner for us!
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think about how many dumbasses repeat it seriously as if it means anything at all and isn't one of the stupidest things ever.

but I try to be .. somewhat diplomatic and at least semi-kind ...
I was taught that was how you dealt with the .. less advantaged.

unfortunately, many Democrats just feel that 'they're not fighting hard enough". I know politics and I know how the majority rules in both branches. And when you don't have the White House and you can't count on the Supreme Court, you're left with few, if any, options.

No matter how these Democratic leaners feel, they are still voting for Democrats in all the specials and odd year elections at greater numbers than expected. That's the point of the OP.

And go all in on social policies that are easy to exploit in the media. We pander to a fight on Republicans on gays, guns, and God instead of sticking to economic policies, defense, health care.

We always play on their side of the field and we always lose.

Of course we’re supposed to live in denial or not talk about that here.

...is to convince people that we are Americans before we are Democrats. Our nation is at risk and all Americans need to stand up.

Americans need to stand up. STAND UP. We need to keep pushing.

The biggest mistake in your post is to assume that people support a progressive agenda over a racist, fascist, sexist one.

Most of the world does not enjoy Democratic freedoms. In the US, we have had slavery and rampant suppression of women and minorities. Oppression and tyranny are the general rule for most of the world and most of history.

Yet, many progressives assume that everyone believes what they do and make no effort to reach out to people who do not believe what they believe. Instead, they demand that their political leaders lean into an ever unpopular progressive agenda when the general populace has been groomed by social media to be more isolated and distrustful of the news, government and each other.

DU does not represent the views of most people. Go on Facebook, follow Fox News, MMA, Football, and Guns and see what you get on your feed and that is what the typical American voter is viewing as their reality, and unless progressives can somehow reach such people and convince them to be more compassionate and less cruel, asking Democrats to be more progressive will just further alienate them from an increasingly intolerant voter base.

Yet, if you poll these “people who do not believe what [we] believe” on individual issues, they mostly believe in and value these same issues. I think it’s more how we allow ourselves to be branded rather than the issues themselves. How, then, to breakthrough the 24/7 rightwing propaganda they swim in?

Or is it too late? We’ve become a failed state, like Russia, where the majority consume vodka and fight amongst themselves until they are numb, having lost all hope for a better future?

(Not pretending I know how, but it’s certainly not by the party moving to the right - that has proved a failing strategy for decades.)

Less than 20 years ago this may have been true, since most Americans still got there news from traditional outlets. Even though news papers were dying, and a lot of independent outlets were being gobbled up, most people still relied on TV or written news. However, with both the left and the right attacking mainstream media, and the proliferation of social media and influencers, most people now get their information from social media sources believing that they are somehow less tainted, because you can now do your own research. Heck, look at DU and see how many people attack polls and the mainstream media. It is even worse on right wing sites with Trump always complaining about Fake News.

Thanks to the current information infrastructure, which rewards content that goes viral, the most popular social media posts will be tend to be the most provocative or divisive. Look at DU. Start of a post with the name of a well known progressive and discuss a quote where they attack other Democrats. I guarantee that it will start to trend with people debated and arguing. Sure, some of it may just be bots, but divisiveness will always gain traction.

The Republicans have embraced and leaned into this. Find a group to resent whether it be a minority group, the homeless, immigrants, LGBT, college graduates, public employees, and scapegoat them and thanks to the fragmented nature of social media, you can do this with impunity, because most people do not get their news from mainstream media or traditional journalists these days. Even better, when false stories circulate, people will blame traditional journalists for failing to publish the truth.

Thanks to our current information infrastructure Americans are isolated, insure, and resentful of their fellow Americans. Democrats will either need to lean into the hate to start winning elections the way Democrats did in the 1900’s, because progressives have lost the ability to communicate with non-progressives in the real world. At best, progressives can only vent in safe spaces like DU where we convince ourselves that most people believe what we believe and have not embraced detesting people who are not like themselves.

Look at Medicaid. We assume that this will be unpopular, but Republicans will just highlight how immigrants, disabled people, minorities, the poor, homeless, etc., are unjustly getting benefits for being lazy, and by appealing to the wide spread hate and isolation of Americans, this will probably be a winner.

If Democrats want to win with a progressive message, then they have to engage with people in the real world, rather just holing up in safe spaces like DU. We need to put down the cell phone and interact with people IRL. But this is hard. So, perhaps we will just stick to venting on DU.

That's how we get to 27%.