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Pototan

(2,644 posts)
Tue May 27, 2025, 02:52 AM Tuesday

The fear is palpable

I was thinking about the fear Americans, and a lot of the rest of the world, feels towards Trump and Trump's America.

The fear is so obvious. The same people who shut down campuses and demonstrated against Israel and the US just a year ago, have now grown silent. Many colleges and universities have watched in horror and are giving in to the MAGA world. Media outlets. Legal practices and law firms. Lawyers and immigrants. It's crazy.

Even in my own extended family, I can see it. I have even advised it. As anyone who follows any of my posts knows, I am married to a Filipina. I am 72 Years old, she is 69. I am now a permanent resident of the Philippines, but my wife and I planned that as part of our retirement long before Trump, as far back as 2010. Trump has just made my desire to spend time in America be as little as possible for the time being. However, I digress.

My wife's family is pretty well off, by Philippine standards. One sister that lives in America has been a civil engineer for 30 years. That's how I met my wife. Everyone in the family is Liberal, however not too political. A couple of nieces live in America and are on student visas or work visas. A schoolteacher niece here in the Philippines asked my advice, as she has been reading the horror stories of the immigrants, both documented and undocumented. Even Filipinos. My advice was to say nothing political on face book or other social media sites. Don't go to rallies or demonstrations. Watch what you say and who you associate with and keep your head down and do your work.

Now, you can tell by my age that I lived in turbulent times. I protested the war in Viet Nam and demonstrated for civil rights. I was a union organizer and business agent during my work-life. I walked plenty of picket lines. It pains me to give such advice. It would not be the same advice I would give a citizen. At least not for now. But I cannot feel responsible for another person's deportation, especially a family member.

I can't believe we live in such fear.

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The fear is palpable (Original Post) Pototan Tuesday OP
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I hope you enjoyed your stay here at DU Pototan Tuesday #2
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We moved to Germany before Trump Old Crank Tuesday #4
We are considering places we may relocate to when we retire . I don't see the US coming back from this fiasco Iris Tuesday #5
My wife and I moved to Rwanda before ethe election ... SomewhereInTheMiddle Tuesday #6
this advice is dead wrong jaymac Tuesday #8
Trump loves threads like this NJCher Tuesday #7
Well, I don't think it's Trump's idea Pototan Tuesday #9
You are aware NJCher Tuesday #10
Not enough Pototan Tuesday #11
Oh, I see NJCher Tuesday #13
Fear and compliance by silence SomedayKindaLove Tuesday #12

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Response to Pototan (Reply #2)

Old Crank

(5,701 posts)
4. We moved to Germany before Trump
Tue May 27, 2025, 03:38 AM
Tuesday

I have US CDN citizenship.
We aren't sure if we are going back for a family wedding in November.
Trying to get my daughter here permanently.
It is a shame.

Iris

(16,420 posts)
5. We are considering places we may relocate to when we retire . I don't see the US coming back from this fiasco
Tue May 27, 2025, 03:53 AM
Tuesday
6. My wife and I moved to Rwanda before ethe election ...
Tue May 27, 2025, 04:15 AM
Tuesday

Working for an American university. My wife is currently in the US for a visit, and we are actually nervous about her going in and out of the country. We are both citizens from multi-generational citizen families so it should not be a problem.

But a lot of things are going on that should not be.

Some of my African friends and colleagues are displaying a bit of schadenfreude that America is now suffering from some of the same problems that some African nations have been facing for decades. Though other are saying Trump has not yet gone full dictator.

As long as the current administration does not cause my university to withdraw it support of its African campus due to DEI or other stupid issue, I hope to ride out the current crisis outside the country. But I still have many family and friends at home I have to worry about.

Not to mention the nation as a whole.

jaymac

(12 posts)
8. this advice is dead wrong
Tue May 27, 2025, 05:34 AM
Tuesday

while I appreciate the sentiment, the advice is totally wrong. I'm 79 and have politically lived through some outrages, written LTE's, called reps. marched etc. but to not speak out, to not stand up against this outrage makes you ( not you Potopan, you are away in Philippines ) a collaborator........don't be a collaborator.........please.

NJCher

(40,236 posts)
7. Trump loves threads like this
Tue May 27, 2025, 05:30 AM
Tuesday

If he has goons reading here, you’ve made him very happy.

Everyone else is talking about how he’s s a senile old doddering fool, but here he’s Superman!

Pototan

(2,644 posts)
9. Well, I don't think it's Trump's idea
Tue May 27, 2025, 05:51 AM
Tuesday

I think Stephen Miller is the one giving the evil advice.

And whether or not Trump likes it, what I posted here is the truth. The rest of my theory is that the fear translates into votes. You see, the secret ballot is our not-so-secret weapon. You can see it in the odd elections and the specials.

I don't think they can fix the elections. They are run locally and those people have not been corrupted. I am confident this thing will blow over. First in the mid-terms and then in 2028.

But, in the meantime, people are afraid to speak up. This post notwithstanding, the reaction of the press, the colleges and the legal profession encourages Trump more than any obscure post on DU.

NJCher

(40,236 posts)
10. You are aware
Tue May 27, 2025, 06:21 AM
Tuesday

That this morning there is a post about the Harvard president encouraging others to speak up—like they did.

I think it depends on your mentality. Where you see fear, I see people from all walks of life speaking up.

People who are fearful probably don’t have much confidence in themselves.

That hasn’t been my life experience, so I don’t see it that way.



Pototan

(2,644 posts)
11. Not enough
Tue May 27, 2025, 06:45 AM
Tuesday

Where are the brave "Genocide Joe" demonstrators now that the Gazans are being starved out of existence with Trump's assistance?

NJCher

(40,236 posts)
13. Oh, I see
Tue May 27, 2025, 07:32 AM
Tuesday

It’s a one-issue thing with you.

I’m taking a broader view.

If you just scan the subject headings today, there are more about people speaking out than cowering behind the couch.

Oh and those law firms trump scammed into free work? Their best lawyers left them and started winner firms of their own. Turns out acquiescence isn’t good legal PR.

Who knew?

Anyway, who’s that guy who said the only thing we have to fear is fear itself?



Here are some more smilies with which you fraidy cats can decorate your posts:



SomedayKindaLove

(1,128 posts)
12. Fear and compliance by silence
Tue May 27, 2025, 06:55 AM
Tuesday

Is the goal of authoritarian regimes. Keeping our noses to the grindstone and minding our own business is what they want.

Point fingers, laugh at, deride, shame, scream, protest while it’s still possible. I’m not looking for a hill to die upon, but if this isn’t it, I don’t think there is one.

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