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applegrove

(126,190 posts)
Mon May 26, 2025, 06:42 PM Monday

Democrats Try to Understand Men

Democrats Try to Understand Men

May 25, 2025 at 9:49 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 509 Comments

https://politicalwire.com/2025/05/25/democrats-try-to-understand-men/


New York Times: “Democratic donors and strategists have been gathering at luxury hotels to discuss how to win back working-class voters, commissioning new projects that can read like anthropological studies of people from faraway places.”

“The prospectus for one new $20 million effort aims to reverse the erosion of Democratic support among young men, especially online. It is code-named SAM — short for ‘Speaking with American Men: A Strategic Plan’ — and promises investment to ‘study the syntax, language and content that gains attention and virality in these spaces.’ It recommends buying advertisements in video games, among other things.”
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Democrats Try to Understand Men (Original Post) applegrove Monday OP
This is going to be posted 20 times over the next six hours, isn't it? Prairie Gates Monday #1
Yesterdays Times and Yesterdays political Wire bottomofthehill Monday #2
You don't think Trump WH is seen as predators? applegrove Monday #3
I don't think you actually read the article. bottomofthehill Monday #8
It is not animal game questions. There are dangers. Dems should look applegrove Monday #13
They should ask real questions about rel issues. bottomofthehill Monday #15
Why men didn't vote for Harris is not real? applegrove Tuesday #17
What animal is the Democratic Party like is not a real issue. bottomofthehill Tuesday #19
The bull**** is agitating to not study it. applegrove Tuesday #25
Market researchers would consider NJCher Tuesday #27
This message was self-deleted by its author bottomofthehill Monday #16
On the other thread on this article, I was going to make a joke that the Democratic Party was going to assign the task Midwestern Democrat Tuesday #24
I'd be interested to hear NJCher Tuesday #31
Sounds to me like just another B.See Monday #4
I don't know why the Dems are being criticized for comradebillyboy Monday #5
Makes me go Hmmmm? applegrove Monday #14
Pay me $1000, and I'll explain it to them Sympthsical Monday #6
It's a red herring struggle4progress Monday #7
I really hope this is misdirection 0rganism Monday #9
Why? Young ment started to break for Trump in the last election. applegrove Monday #12
So did your women. bottomofthehill Tuesday #20
"donors and strategists have been gathering at luxury hotels to discuss" -- do you see the problem here? 0rganism Tuesday #23
Ok maybe NJCher Tuesday #28
Dems In Disarray! LudwigPastorius Monday #10
Exactly. The MAGA arsonists can B.See Monday #11
How about just TALK about working class economic issues--- and KEEP TALKING Jack Valentino Tuesday #18
Thanks Jack. What animal does the Democratic Party remind you of. bottomofthehill Tuesday #21
a very smart animal that talks over everyone's head.... Jack Valentino Tuesday #22
Is another species ok? NJCher Tuesday #29
Meet in luxury hotels... luv2fly Tuesday #26
Not trying to win them over NJCher Tuesday #30
How bout we just stick to our progressive political principles and bring (all) the American people along? InAbLuEsTaTe Tuesday #32
All Democrats need to understand is that there is plenty of racism and sexism in our own party. Scrivener7 Tuesday #33
I believe that there is AZProgressive Tuesday #35
That's you, and I wish everyone was like you, but they're not. They're the opposite. Scrivener7 Tuesday #36
One thing we know for sure - consultants were PAID - and THAT'S what counts!! hatrack Tuesday #34

Prairie Gates

(5,135 posts)
1. This is going to be posted 20 times over the next six hours, isn't it?
Mon May 26, 2025, 06:46 PM
Monday

I can Kreskin the authors, too.

bottomofthehill

(9,181 posts)
2. Yesterdays Times and Yesterdays political Wire
Mon May 26, 2025, 06:53 PM
Monday

Last edited Mon May 26, 2025, 07:23 PM - Edit history (1)

It is clearly a BIG problem and maybe a big part of the problem is that we are trying to learn about men from a 40 something year old Israeli woman. Clearly she holds the key to men and how they think.
I am kind of at a loss as to where to start on the stupidity. It could be this, the person we turned to decode men is Anat Shenker-Osorio.

I am kind of at a loss as to where to start on the stupidity. It could be this:
After around 250 focus groups where she asks people to compare political parties to animals, This is how she finds their deepest darkest feelings on politics. Please go away, the stupid burns. She is a long time Democratic strategist and you will be shocked to know, while employing this brilliant strategy, we have been hemorrhaging male voters. I wonder why.

Republicans are seen as “apex predators,” like lions, tigers and sharks — beasts that take what they want when they want it. Democrats are typically tagged as tortoises, slugs or sloths: slow, plodding, passive. We pay for this stupidity.

This is a clown show.

applegrove

(126,190 posts)
3. You don't think Trump WH is seen as predators?
Mon May 26, 2025, 06:56 PM
Monday

Do you know that when things are in crisis women are attracted to assholes rather than nice guys?

Should we not study this and its effect on politics?

bottomofthehill

(9,181 posts)
8. I don't think you actually read the article.
Mon May 26, 2025, 10:02 PM
Monday

We need to realize that a major block of voters 49%ish (men) don’t like the Democratic Party. Where can we connect with them and how is the question. Playing silly animal game questions is not the answer.

bottomofthehill

(9,181 posts)
19. What animal is the Democratic Party like is not a real issue.
Tue May 27, 2025, 12:36 AM
Tuesday

It’s bullshit and why we are losing the male vote.

Response to applegrove (Reply #13)

24. On the other thread on this article, I was going to make a joke that the Democratic Party was going to assign the task
Tue May 27, 2025, 01:33 AM
Tuesday

of understanding the typical American male to an Ivy League educated woman who uses words like "intersectionality" - but I thought that joke would be unfair and over the top. Goddamn it, it turns out I was being too generous.

B.See

(5,510 posts)
4. Sounds to me like just another
Mon May 26, 2025, 07:43 PM
Monday

let's pile on the poor clueless and woebegotten Dems for our failure to (checks notes) understand the sickly twisted VICTIMHOOD (as in fragility) of these misogynistic butt-hurt "apex predators" who are out for revenge because, have you heard? - they're 'being replaced' so Dems best better get on board with the messaging.

(Pryor to Wilder: "Get bad." )

all served up, mind you, by a political writer who prides himself as being fiercely Independent...

which, btw IMO, translates these days as being TOO much of a fence sitter for my druthers (aka, part of the problem).

So, think I'll file Goddard in the same drawer with Todd, and Maher.

comradebillyboy

(10,703 posts)
5. I don't know why the Dems are being criticized for
Mon May 26, 2025, 08:48 PM
Monday

trying to improve their communications strategy and wimpy image. It seems like the sane thing to do.

Sympthsical

(10,649 posts)
6. Pay me $1000, and I'll explain it to them
Mon May 26, 2025, 08:55 PM
Monday

And unlike the perpetual consultants (read: friends and family) they dump millions of dollars on every cycle, I’d actually net some voters.

0rganism

(25,087 posts)
9. I really hope this is misdirection
Mon May 26, 2025, 10:27 PM
Monday

If not, it shows intense disconnection from the current situation.

However it might work as political "sleight of hard", I hope that's what it is.

applegrove

(126,190 posts)
12. Why? Young ment started to break for Trump in the last election.
Mon May 26, 2025, 11:38 PM
Monday

Should we just ignore the election?

0rganism

(25,087 posts)
23. "donors and strategists have been gathering at luxury hotels to discuss" -- do you see the problem here?
Tue May 27, 2025, 12:57 AM
Tuesday

Granted, this is some ugly coverage on the part of the NYT, but it's images like this driving young people away.
This and "strongly worded letters" from Sen. Schumer are at the core of why Democratic outreach to young men fails. AOC and Gov. Walz were going in the right direction when they streamed together on Twitch, but they needed to do it often and regularly to build the audience and have a stronger impact.

The appearance of aloof disconnected academics and aristocrats holding secret meetings in luxurious settings makes young men want to kick our asses, not join our party. F47's outreach to young men succeeded through a deceptive appearance of open comprehensibility, similar to the experience of watching professional sports. You don't need to gather in a luxury hotel to figure this much out, a zoom call would work.

The best thing about this article is the vast majority of young men will never see it.

B.See

(5,510 posts)
11. Exactly. The MAGA arsonists can
Mon May 26, 2025, 11:33 PM
Monday

speak any lunacy they choose, engage in whatever outrage,

yet it's supposed to be Democrats' fault that a significant enough number of democracy saboteurs, racists, miscreants, malcontents, and the ever so willingly bamboozled,

CHOSE a fascist who promised to be a DICTATOR DAY ONE. As if the choice between either a democracy or a dictatorship wasn't blindingly clear.

Trump's voters CHOSE to endorse, no, EAT UP his brand of venom. And I hope they choke on it.

#stopblamingdemocrats

Jack Valentino

(2,160 posts)
18. How about just TALK about working class economic issues--- and KEEP TALKING
Tue May 27, 2025, 12:29 AM
Tuesday

about them ?????


The stupidity of Republican talking points has only gained any credibility
through continuous repetition....

The 'Big Lies' have only been effective because the GOP leaders have been a "broken record" about them---

and the "Big Truths" cannot expect to be effective without such repetition...

bottomofthehill

(9,181 posts)
21. Thanks Jack. What animal does the Democratic Party remind you of.
Tue May 27, 2025, 12:40 AM
Tuesday

Let’s try to get back normal fucking people by treating them like they are normal.

luv2fly

(2,524 posts)
26. Meet in luxury hotels...
Tue May 27, 2025, 05:11 AM
Tuesday

... and use phrases like "study the syntax, language and content that gains attention and virality in these spaces" because yeah, that's going to win them over.

As another poster said, it's more likely to make them want to kick Democrat's asses.

NJCher

(40,236 posts)
30. Not trying to win them over
Tue May 27, 2025, 05:45 AM
Tuesday

With their objective statement.

It’s with the results of the objective statement.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(25,161 posts)
32. How bout we just stick to our progressive political principles and bring (all) the American people along?
Tue May 27, 2025, 06:05 AM
Tuesday

Scrivener7

(55,834 posts)
33. All Democrats need to understand is that there is plenty of racism and sexism in our own party.
Tue May 27, 2025, 07:00 AM
Tuesday

Nominate a straight, middle-aged, white, Protestant man and don't change a word of the platform. And we'll win.

I hate it, but we need to deal with facts. And we need to win.

AZProgressive

(29,526 posts)
35. I believe that there is
Tue May 27, 2025, 07:38 AM
Tuesday

However I would take what is part of a Justice Democrat or Bernie Sanders' platform and make that the Democratic Party platform. As far as to what is important to me it remains policy over the identity of the candidate. It really doesn't matter much who the face of it is.

I just don't know if that alone is enough to win as white men make up only about 31% of the US population even though they are over-represented in Congress. Hillary Clinton won the popular vote even though she had a high unfavorable rating which is probably a factor as to why Trump won the electoral college but sexism did play a factor there. Harris didn't do well in the primaries so I don't think she was the best to take on Trump especially when she didn't distance herself much from Biden when many voters didn't want another Biden-Trump matchup but she did well considering how bad Biden was polling and the country was still split along the same lines as the last 3 elections. I think we need to ditch conventional wisdom to an extent if we are able to win again with Obama-like landslides. When he ran in the primaries he was compared to McGovern.

Scrivener7

(55,834 posts)
36. That's you, and I wish everyone was like you, but they're not. They're the opposite.
Tue May 27, 2025, 07:58 AM
Tuesday

The average voter doesn't actually know what the policies are. They vote for how much they identify with the person fronting the party.

Of course, I believe there is a LOT of room to improve how we communicate the policies so a percentage of voters WILL see that one party works for them and the other is just a mouthpiece for billionaires with their hands out, but that's a different discussion.

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