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Jilly_in_VA

(12,003 posts)
Thu May 22, 2025, 11:58 AM May 22

Kim Kardashian graduates law program after 6 years

Kim Kardashian announced she has completed her law program on Wednesday after 6 years of legal studies.

Khloe Kardashian shared photos of her sister's private ceremony on her Instagram stories. The ceremony featured speeches from Kim's mentors, CNN political commentator Van Jones, and the graduate herself.

"All of you guys have been on this journey with me," Kim Kardashian said in her speech. "It did start with Van and I."

The reality television star said she was "dumbfounded" by the state of the legal system when she first began this journey years ago.

Kim Kardashian began her legal studies in 2019, telling Vogue magazine her passion for prison reform inspired her decision to pursue legal education. Although the entertainment mogul never obtained an undergraduate degree, California's "reading law" process allows future lawyers to participate in apprentice-style learning under a licensed attorney instead of attending a formal law school.

In March, E! News reported that the 44-year-old took the Multistate Professional Responsibility Exam (MPRE), a requirement for admission to the California bar.

https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/pop-culture-news/kim-kardashian-graduates-law-program-6-years-rcna208482

Wow. Congratulations, Kim Kardashian, Esq. She can actually lend her celebrity name to causes, much like Paris Hilton, which is not necessarily a bad thing if she picks the right one.

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Kim Kardashian graduates law program after 6 years (Original Post) Jilly_in_VA May 22 OP
Good grief. It is Van and me, not I. efhmc May 22 #1
It's always annoying to hear people who are spooky3 May 22 #5
I would not use the term "Well educated" here. marybourg May 22 #7
Yes. While I want to credit her efforts, "reading law" as an apprentice under an established lawyer allows a lot of hlthe2b May 22 #12
Yup. marybourg May 22 #15
It's how my grandfather obtained his degree Jilly_in_VA May 22 #20
Yes. Many/most Supreme Court justices prior to the 20th century did so as well. hlthe2b May 22 #22
Interesting! I didn't not know that. But I do have friends spooky3 May 22 #24
That's a little more complex than marybourg May 22 #34
Not really. It's simply the basis for determining that spooky3 May 22 #40
I also have a good friend Jilly_in_VA May 23 #43
The key word there being.... DFW May 22 #29
Exactly. I have a friend with a PhD from a good school who makes these errors. spooky3 May 22 #41
It totally mystifies me that people never mess this up in the singular, only in the plural. 3catwoman3 May 22 #10
Just like "Me and Bob went to the store". People marybourg May 22 #17
In her early days on TV, Judge Judy would correct litigants by spooky3 May 22 #25
The atrocity that is especially driving me crazy of late... 3catwoman3 May 22 #30
That marybourg May 22 #33
Thank you! MIButterfly May 22 #27
I was going to say DFW May 22 #28
She didn't get a degree; she did an apprenticeship. marybourg May 22 #35
Figures. Here, from the Official Dictionary of Republicanese: DFW May 22 #38
Bless her heart Traildogbob May 22 #2
I Rebl2 May 22 #3
Good for her. stillcool May 22 #4
Van Jones? choie May 22 #6
Her next challenge will be the Bar Exam. Raven May 22 #8
Good luck with that. no_hypocrisy May 22 #26
I am impressed Skittles May 22 #32
It's one thing to buy a J.D. (Juris Doctor). It's another thing to pass the Bar. no_hypocrisy May 22 #36
But Michael Cohen did Jilly_in_VA May 23 #44
How soon before the Trump justice department Johonny May 22 #9
It would be interesting to know how she would have done in a traditional... 3catwoman3 May 22 #11
I think she's more interested in prison reform. Jilly_in_VA May 23 #45
Well done. I confess I know zero about the Kardashians Arazi May 22 #13
Just know they are friends with the Trumps and have been spotted at Mar-A-Shithole. Initech May 22 #14
Yeah I knew that (and the relationship to Caitlyn Jenner) Arazi May 22 #16
Congratulations!! Canada Kid May 22 #18
Maybe.. She "read the law" as an apprentice to a lawyer--bypassing law school... She still has to PASS the bar exam. hlthe2b May 22 #19
Her father was an attorney. JustABozoOnThisBus May 22 #39
Good on her. No snark here. Solly Mack May 22 #21
I don't think she gets to use "Esq" as she does not have a JD Fiendish Thingy May 22 #23
Good for her! still-prayin4rain May 22 #31
I guess this means an AI assist helps people get a law degree? Jacson6 May 22 #37
That should be "...with Van and me." Iggo May 22 #42
Postscript no_hypocrisy May 24 #46
She still has to pass the bar exam iemanja May 24 #47
She didn't "graduate" Jersey Devil May 24 #48

marybourg

(13,439 posts)
7. I would not use the term "Well educated" here.
Thu May 22, 2025, 12:45 PM
May 22

From the OP: “Although the entertainment mogul never obtained an undergraduate degree, California's "reading law" process allows future lawyers to participate in apprentice-style learning under a licensed attorney instead of attending a formal law school.”

hlthe2b

(109,954 posts)
12. Yes. While I want to credit her efforts, "reading law" as an apprentice under an established lawyer allows a lot of
Thu May 22, 2025, 01:04 PM
May 22

latitude that she would never receive in law school.

I'll give her her due when/if she passes the bar exam. Despite that article's seeming suggestion otherwise, the separate MPRE (Multistate Professional Responsibility Examination) exam, which is an ethics exam, is not a substitute for the bar exam. That is a hurdle that still awaits her.

Jilly_in_VA

(12,003 posts)
20. It's how my grandfather obtained his degree
Thu May 22, 2025, 01:34 PM
May 22

Of course this was back in the early 1900s and that was how most lawyers did it then, and that is what California and a few other states allow. And of course she still has to pass the bar, but if Pam Bondi can do it, so can she.

hlthe2b

(109,954 posts)
22. Yes. Many/most Supreme Court justices prior to the 20th century did so as well.
Thu May 22, 2025, 01:38 PM
May 22

I'm a fan of self-education initiatives--as long as they can pass the bar and show competence. She may well prove herself as dedicated and effective as those of her cohort who attended the best law schools. I hope so.

spooky3

(37,519 posts)
24. Interesting! I didn't not know that. But I do have friends
Thu May 22, 2025, 02:40 PM
May 22

(And see TV pundits) with advanced degrees who don’t understand object-of-preposition rules.

marybourg

(13,439 posts)
34. That's a little more complex than
Thu May 22, 2025, 04:07 PM
May 22

differentiating between the subject “I” and the object “me”.

Jilly_in_VA

(12,003 posts)
43. I also have a good friend
Fri May 23, 2025, 12:58 PM
May 23

who read for her divinity degree in the Episcopal Church. Her diocese (West Virginia) is one of the few that allow it, due to the scarcity of priests, I think. She was well educated to begin with, however.

spooky3

(37,519 posts)
41. Exactly. I have a friend with a PhD from a good school who makes these errors.
Thu May 22, 2025, 09:32 PM
May 22

She’s a good person, but her misuse has just the opposite of the intended effect.

3catwoman3

(26,749 posts)
10. It totally mystifies me that people never mess this up in the singular, only in the plural.
Thu May 22, 2025, 12:59 PM
May 22

She wouldn't have said, "It started with we." It's really not hard to speak properly.

marybourg

(13,439 posts)
17. Just like "Me and Bob went to the store". People
Thu May 22, 2025, 01:15 PM
May 22

who say that wouldn’t say “Me went to the store”, but when there’s a compound subject they fail.

spooky3

(37,519 posts)
25. In her early days on TV, Judge Judy would correct litigants by
Thu May 22, 2025, 02:42 PM
May 22

Saying “Bob and i went…” but I think she gave up in frustration.

3catwoman3

(26,749 posts)
30. The atrocity that is especially driving me crazy of late...
Thu May 22, 2025, 03:33 PM
May 22

...is people making a possessive out of "I" - John and I's vacation."

I's isn't even a word! Aauuugggghhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

marybourg

(13,439 posts)
33. That
Thu May 22, 2025, 04:01 PM
May 22
is an atrocity! I don’t know that I’ve ever heard that from anyone older than about 2.

MIButterfly

(463 posts)
27. Thank you!
Thu May 22, 2025, 03:19 PM
May 22

I know it's currently used all the time and it drives me nuts. Nobody would say "It did start with I" so why the hell would they say 'it did start with Van and I"?

It just makes the speaker sound ignorant to me.

DFW

(58,144 posts)
28. I was going to say
Thu May 22, 2025, 03:21 PM
May 22

How did she get a law degree if she can’t even write in English?

Law degrees in the USA are not (yet, anyway) issued written in Republicanese.

marybourg

(13,439 posts)
35. She didn't get a degree; she did an apprenticeship.
Thu May 22, 2025, 04:12 PM
May 22

She doesn’t have an undergraduate degree either.

DFW

(58,144 posts)
38. Figures. Here, from the Official Dictionary of Republicanese:
Thu May 22, 2025, 05:49 PM
May 22
In Republicanese, pronouns that are direct or indirect objects must never be used as in English when combined with another proper name, proper noun, or pronoun.

Example: in English, one says, e.g., “John went to dinner with me,” and not “John went to dinner with I.” Therefore, in English, one also says, “John went to dinner with my wife and me.” In Republicanese, while it is also correct to say, “John went to dinner with me,” it is only correct to say “John went to dinner with my wife and I.”

Traildogbob

(11,251 posts)
2. Bless her heart
Thu May 22, 2025, 12:14 PM
May 22

And this poor woman will be crushed by the weight of debt she now has just trying to make something of herself. Maybe she can help defend trans people rights, especially GQP trans, that have to be the most vulnerable to hate.

stillcool

(33,940 posts)
4. Good for her.
Thu May 22, 2025, 12:23 PM
May 22

I think education is always a noble endeavor, depending on who is doing the teaching. It's difficult enough these days to afford the luxury of an education, but it's only going to get worse, and with prison reform that education can be utilized yesterday.

no_hypocrisy

(51,711 posts)
26. Good luck with that.
Thu May 22, 2025, 03:14 PM
May 22

I could be wrong, but I understand that despite graduating from New York University Law School, Jared Kushner hasn’t passed the Bar. Nor has Tiffany Trump.

Skittles

(164,559 posts)
32. I am impressed
Thu May 22, 2025, 03:39 PM
May 22

I would have thought the obscenely rich would be somehow able to buy their, er, "pass".

no_hypocrisy

(51,711 posts)
36. It's one thing to buy a J.D. (Juris Doctor). It's another thing to pass the Bar.
Thu May 22, 2025, 04:51 PM
May 22

Remember that if you can't represent your clients fully and professionally, they'll lose money or their freedom. And if you're an Associate in a firm and you f*ck up, the whole firm is sued for malpractice and gets a stain on its reputation.

Passing the Bar is the way you have a modicum of reliability. You can't go running to the Partners and other Associates every day and ask about court procedure or how to do legal research. You have to be able to work independently. And no, you can't let your paralegals do all the work and you take the credit.

Jilly_in_VA

(12,003 posts)
44. But Michael Cohen did
Fri May 23, 2025, 01:00 PM
May 23

despite graduating from a fifth-rate law school. Which just shows to go you, as my dad was wont to say.

Jilly_in_VA

(12,003 posts)
45. I think she's more interested in prison reform.
Fri May 23, 2025, 01:01 PM
May 23

She has often said so. And she's rich enough to do pro bono work too.

Arazi

(7,854 posts)
13. Well done. I confess I know zero about the Kardashians
Thu May 22, 2025, 01:07 PM
May 22

But she persevered and hopes to work in prison reform. This wasn’t an easy “gimme”. She’s already finished her course work, passed the baby bar and the MPRE.

More celebrities should be as committed to social justice.

Arazi

(7,854 posts)
16. Yeah I knew that (and the relationship to Caitlyn Jenner)
Thu May 22, 2025, 01:14 PM
May 22

But I guess I only have an impression that they’re socialites/influencers? Fluffers and fashion.

Not that any of them were into solid social justice work. Can only hope she’ll use her insider status for some good

hlthe2b

(109,954 posts)
19. Maybe.. She "read the law" as an apprentice to a lawyer--bypassing law school... She still has to PASS the bar exam.
Thu May 22, 2025, 01:21 PM
May 22

That said, I wish her luck and credit her efforts. Anyone who seeks to self-study is worthy of respect in my book.

THIS may be her "escape hatch" from all the superficiality of her appearance-obsessed earlier years and if so, I truly applaud her.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(24,156 posts)
39. Her father was an attorney.
Thu May 22, 2025, 05:50 PM
May 22

He represented O.J. Simpson. So, he graduated law school AND passed the CA bar.

Fiendish Thingy

(19,416 posts)
23. I don't think she gets to use "Esq" as she does not have a JD
Thu May 22, 2025, 02:17 PM
May 22

Her degree/license is that of an apprentice, and she has yet to pass the state bar exam.

no_hypocrisy

(51,711 posts)
46. Postscript
Sat May 24, 2025, 07:41 AM
May 24

What KK missed when she essentially took a law school correspondence course:

1. Debating the law with classmates
2. Being grilled by a relentless professor to see if she really understood the dynamics of a case, such as the Rationale for the decision, not just remembering the decision
3. No experience in researching the arcane cases in stare decisis to bolster a legal premise
4. No experience in legal writing, e.g., memoranda, briefs
5. No discussion of the specific area of law in a class (e.g., contracts, corporations, family law, property law, etc.)

Either she starts her own firm and has her associates do all the work and let them go to court for her -- or she can sit at her desk and complete estate documents from templates on her computer.

Jersey Devil

(10,410 posts)
48. She didn't "graduate"
Sat May 24, 2025, 09:12 AM
May 24

There is no set program for reading the law or any way to determine when it is finished until someone passes the bar exam. Most states that allow this have a minimum time you must serve reading the law but there are no exams or curriculum to follow.

As a law school graduate (which is a 3 year program), I just can't imagine how "reading the law" could possibly educate someone enough to pass the bar exam. There would have to be some kind of unofficial reading list and discussions to get even close to the kind of knowledge you would need for the bar exam, unless they are a hell of a lot easier than when I took the exam many years ago. If she passes the exam she must be one hellova smart person.

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