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senseandsensibility

(21,866 posts)
Thu May 1, 2025, 06:16 PM Yesterday

"You can't pose for photos with Trump one day and talk constitutional crisis the next

without making people deeply cynical and harming the party brand." Jonathan Cohn on bluesky. He's talking about Gretchen Whitmer, who is now saying that we are in a constitutional crisis in a pod cast that will be released Friday.

I agree with that statement. To me, it goes way beyond her personal ambitions. I actually think she hurt those, but this kind of doublespeak hurts the party as a whole.

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"You can't pose for photos with Trump one day and talk constitutional crisis the next (Original Post) senseandsensibility Yesterday OP
It absolutely hurts the brand. It's irresponsible. harumph Yesterday #1
But are we a brand? Brand is an economic system, marketing term. delisen Yesterday #20
Have to wonder what her thinking is on this approach? Ambassadorship, help for her state or just not thinking? dutch777 Yesterday #2
I'm sure she's thinking jobs intheflow Yesterday #8
Hugged him after hiding her face the week before Ponietz Yesterday #3
I agree, for someone with a good rep leading into this senseandsensibility Yesterday #4
pics Celerity Yesterday #10
Oh No! She "hugged" the Reason We're Haing a Cha Yesterday #17
Sorry, Governor Scubamatt Yesterday #5
The Whitman-Fetterman Foundation for Spineless Appeasement Blue Owl Yesterday #6
She did more than a photo op. intheflow Yesterday #7
"Never go full MAGA!" Midnight Writer Yesterday #9
This saddens me. LuvLoogie Yesterday #11
I admire her. She does not deserve the contempt being given to her. Oopsie Daisy Yesterday #12
I did, too. dchill Yesterday #16
A HUG? flamingdem Yesterday #13
And this was AFTER senseandsensibility Yesterday #14
she was on a mission Genevra Yesterday #15
Oh Wow.. Mump gave Michigan $850 Million...! Cha Yesterday #19
When you HUG the Orange Tarbaby, that shit sticks to you Martin Eden 12 hrs ago #22
Bye Felicia! BidenRocks Yesterday #18
I'll say HER WORDS again aocommunalpunch 16 hrs ago #21

delisen

(6,965 posts)
20. But are we a brand? Brand is an economic system, marketing term.
Thu May 1, 2025, 09:34 PM
Yesterday

We are suffering as a society from people who are trying hard to erase us as a society and make us only an economy as though the worth of human beings is only of value in economic terms: producers, consumers, workers. They envision a world where robots will power industry and most humans will be of little or no value, and therefore there will be no need for human services.

If we agree to define ourselves and our value only in economic terms the anti-society people find it easier to treat us as commodities or non-humans, and convince others that we are undeserving o life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Thus they justify the destruction of the safety net we created for delivering human services, and feel justified in trying to turn people into materials to be processed in prisons and institutions and concentration camps for some corporation’s profit.

I don’t know what term I think better than “brand” Maybe “image.” But I do think that language we use does make a difference in how we see ourselves and how others see us; and if we accept that we are just “consumers” or workers, it makes it easier for for the anti-society bad actors to treat us as surplus labor and surplus goods.

dutch777

(4,365 posts)
2. Have to wonder what her thinking is on this approach? Ambassadorship, help for her state or just not thinking?
Thu May 1, 2025, 06:27 PM
Yesterday

intheflow

(29,530 posts)
8. I'm sure she's thinking jobs
Thu May 1, 2025, 07:35 PM
Yesterday

that will spring up around the AFB. But what she's really doing is collaborating with the dictator to create a larger border presence that may be used against citizens or for an invasion into Canada. I used to really like her, but 24 hours later... never supporting her again.

Cha

(310,145 posts)
17. Oh No! She "hugged" the Reason We're Haing a
Thu May 1, 2025, 09:11 PM
Yesterday

"Constitutional Crisis"! And the Reason So Many People Lost their Jobs and their Homes And Country.. And Turned the Sane World Against Us

flamingdem

(40,398 posts)
13. A HUG?
Thu May 1, 2025, 08:40 PM
Yesterday

He really did a number on her. She fell for it or wanted these optics?

Was never convinced that she was presidential.

senseandsensibility

(21,866 posts)
14. And this was AFTER
Thu May 1, 2025, 09:02 PM
Yesterday

the Oval Office debacle. She can't really claim not to know what the reaction would be.

Genevra

(52 posts)
15. she was on a mission
Thu May 1, 2025, 09:08 PM
Yesterday

Whitmer secured 850 million for economic relief in her state, saving 30,000 jobs. What she did was set her disgust aside and worked for her people in Michigan.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/29/us/politics/whitmer-trump-michigan-selfridge.html?smid=url-share

Cha

(310,145 posts)
19. Oh Wow.. Mump gave Michigan $850 Million...!
Thu May 1, 2025, 09:25 PM
Yesterday

I bet Arkansas in Jealous.. the last I read.. he wound's give them $$$ for Tornado Wreckage.

Martin Eden

(14,203 posts)
22. When you HUG the Orange Tarbaby, that shit sticks to you
Fri May 2, 2025, 10:38 AM
12 hrs ago

If Gretchen Whitmer knew that going in, but did so anyway to secure $850 million for her state, it qualifies as a selfless act.

Unfortunately, it also qualifies as reinforcing the power of an absolutely corrupt despot and a broken system for dispersing federal funds.

BidenRocks

(1,388 posts)
18. Bye Felicia!
Thu May 1, 2025, 09:24 PM
Yesterday

With our country on the line, if you don't know this yet, GTFO!
NEVER appease a dictator!

Hey Gretchen. Ask Sarah in Arkansas how 'her' ass kissing worked out.

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