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elocs

(24,184 posts)
Thu May 1, 2025, 04:28 PM Yesterday

As Democrats, we don't understand this and never will.

"77 million Americans voted for Trump. After 100 days, few of them regret it."77 million Americans voted for Trump. After 100 days, few of them regret it."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2025/04/29/trump-polls-approval-rating-voters/83271813007/

"And significantly more people are happy with the direction of the country now than they were before Trump took office. The gap between those who think the country is on the wrong track and those who think it's on the right track has shrank from 36 points in November to fewer than 12 now."

"Only 2% of Trump voters 'regret' their choice and would 'vote differently'"

"Another telling number is that only 1% of Trump voters say they’d rather not have voted at all. Yet, when it comes to Kamala Harris, the former vice president and Democratic nominee, 14% of her voters say they’d rather have not taken part."

“So the bottom line is this: If there’s some idea out there that Trump voters are going around, ‘Man, I wish I had voted for Kamala Harris instead of Donald Trump,’ the numbers say that is a fanciful universe,” Enten observed. “It really, for the most part, does not exist.”

I would be surprised if many here would agree where it says that Democrats have only themselves to blame for the Trump-Harris matchup. I can understand what is being said though and that there is truth to it if we are honest about it.

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As Democrats, we don't understand this and never will. (Original Post) elocs Yesterday OP
The author of this is a right wing nut job. Wiz Imp Yesterday #1
It doesn't hurt us to know this junk is being published Easterncedar Yesterday #2
We know it's being published. Wiz Imp Yesterday #14
Thank you. Trump's handlers prevailed upon the media to publish favorable polling messaging. John1956PA Yesterday #3
Are you arguing that the data was misrepresented? WarGamer Yesterday #21
Absolutely. She lied about some of it and completely misrepresented the rest. Wiz Imp Yesterday #22
As Democrats, have we been looking at things based upon our own view of our reality? elocs Yesterday #4
100 days isn't long enough for the lesson to sink in Vogon_Glory Yesterday #5
Agreed. Perhaps it has not been long enough. And it isn't just what was done but how it was done. elocs Yesterday #7
If it does, I'd have to move. Texas would remain part of the red-state rump. n/t Vogon_Glory Yesterday #16
Trump has done what MAGA have wanted ... he's deporting mostly brown people/He's firing federal workers Demovictory9 Yesterday #12
For now. I suspect that will change when he and his Congressional allies go after Vogon_Glory Yesterday #15
How much of that is that Trump won? EdmondDantes_ Yesterday #6
This is the opposite of other polls I've seen. yardwork Yesterday #8
Consider the source. I don't see Ingrid Jacques as being particularly trustworthy. Vogon_Glory Yesterday #17
She was probably paid by TrumpCo to write this. yardwork 14 hrs ago #25
She didn't need to be Vogon_Glory 13 hrs ago #29
Same poster that posted a Richard Wolff video. harumph Yesterday #9
Well, unfortunately, this will be the last of your posts I will ever see. n/t elocs 14 hrs ago #24
I looked at the article from the University of Mass. at Amherst. John1956PA Yesterday #10
Republican voters love the deportations and the federal employee firings... as long as it doesnt hit them personally Demovictory9 Yesterday #11
I just looked at the crosstabs for the poll. Wiz Imp Yesterday #13
Caveat Lector: Let the reader beware Vogon_Glory Yesterday #18
Thanks blubunyip 16 hrs ago #23
TrumpCo excels at bending public opinion. yardwork 14 hrs ago #27
This is an opinion piece by a right-winger. SharonClark Yesterday #19
Check out the findings from U Mass Amhurst: elocs 12 hrs ago #33
NONSENSE Xoan Yesterday #20
Couple of points BootinUp 14 hrs ago #26
Then check out this one: elocs 12 hrs ago #34
Maybe later BootinUp 10 hrs ago #37
This article is right wing bullshit gab13by13 14 hrs ago #28
This article seems to be written on the premise that Republicans are at least a plurality of the voters. everyonematters 13 hrs ago #30
2% could swing an election In It to Win It 13 hrs ago #31
Did swing the election. yardwork 12 hrs ago #32
Why are you using Keepthesoulalive 10 hrs ago #35
***SIMILAR NUMBERS AS BREXIT AND HITLER VOTERS*** People don't like admitting they were wrong uponit7771 10 hrs ago #36

Wiz Imp

(4,852 posts)
1. The author of this is a right wing nut job.
Thu May 1, 2025, 04:40 PM
Yesterday

Why are you posting such garbage here? You also conveniently ignored where she said Harris would have made a terrible president and was incapable of stringing 2 sentences together. Her entire article is total bullshit.

Easterncedar

(4,306 posts)
2. It doesn't hurt us to know this junk is being published
Thu May 1, 2025, 05:02 PM
Yesterday

I suppose. You’re right about the author, and it’s disturbing that USAToday prints it.

Wiz Imp

(4,852 posts)
14. We know it's being published.
Thu May 1, 2025, 07:28 PM
Yesterday

I for one don't have to see garbage like this to know how ridiculously stupid and pathetic Trump supporters are,

John1956PA

(4,008 posts)
3. Thank you. Trump's handlers prevailed upon the media to publish favorable polling messaging.
Thu May 1, 2025, 05:04 PM
Yesterday

Trump has been so much of a mess from reading polling articles (which are indeed accurate in stating that his favorability rating has plummeted) that his handlers had to try to stanch the stench he is creating.

elocs

(24,184 posts)
4. As Democrats, have we been looking at things based upon our own view of our reality?
Thu May 1, 2025, 05:06 PM
Yesterday

One where millions of Trump voters are so regretful of their decision to vote for him that the midterms will be a blowout where the Democrats will take control of Congress.
And that so many who voted for Trump believed they had been misled and lied to by Biden concerning the true nature of his health and ability to finish his term. In hindsight there is some merit in the argument that Biden should have chosen not to run before the primaries in '24, leaving it open for a new candidate to have been chosen rather than all of the ensuing drama of that summer.

That we hate all the Trump is and all that he does is what we believe with all of our hearts, but what will we say if Democrats do not make a strong showing in the midterms? Who will we blame?

Vogon_Glory

(9,798 posts)
5. 100 days isn't long enough for the lesson to sink in
Thu May 1, 2025, 05:12 PM
Yesterday

At the risk of offending my fellow Democrats, the negative consequences haven’t yet hit the thoughtless and ill-informed Trump voters hard enough. Most of them are either still comfortable in their glass bubble (Like Ms. Jacques) or haven’t hurt hard enough or long enough to feel real pain.

If the USA was a parliamentary democracy with snap elections and a vote a few weeks away, I’d say that the Good Guys were screwed. However, while there are some elections this fall, most of the mid-terms aren’t until next year.

JRRT’s character Gandalf the Wizard said that the burned hand teaches best. We can’t reach most MAGA voters right now. However I suspect that a few seasons of suffering will wise a lot of them up. Unlike successful wanna-be autocrats past and present, Orange Julius isn’t taking care of his followers (At least the ones not mega-rich). There WILL be some prolonged hurting and some painful education.

elocs

(24,184 posts)
7. Agreed. Perhaps it has not been long enough. And it isn't just what was done but how it was done.
Thu May 1, 2025, 06:10 PM
Yesterday

I'm beginning to wonder if the 2 sides, pro-Trump, anti-Trump can ever be reconciled in this nation. Perhaps we need a national divorce. Perhaps the anti-Trump states could join Canada. We do seem to have irreconcilable differences though. But I don't see this ending well.

Demovictory9

(35,561 posts)
12. Trump has done what MAGA have wanted ... he's deporting mostly brown people/He's firing federal workers
Thu May 1, 2025, 07:14 PM
Yesterday

shutting down DEI and universities... they are happy.

Vogon_Glory

(9,798 posts)
15. For now. I suspect that will change when he and his Congressional allies go after
Thu May 1, 2025, 07:29 PM
Yesterday

ACA subsidies, Medicare, and Social Security. While there are some wealthy and financially-secure MAGA magoos, a lot of the Golden Calf's followers are shirt-sleeve folks whose income is either subsidized by the federal government or in funds that the Golden Calf's allies are looking forward to breaking into and squandering. When the money runs out and they find themselves in grinding poverty or homelessness, they'll be more amenable to a re-think.

Not so many people can afford to be MAGAs without government subsidies.

EdmondDantes_

(437 posts)
6. How much of that is that Trump won?
Thu May 1, 2025, 05:23 PM
Yesterday

What were those totals in previous elections, especially elections without Trump given he has a unique hold on his base.

Vogon_Glory

(9,798 posts)
17. Consider the source. I don't see Ingrid Jacques as being particularly trustworthy.
Thu May 1, 2025, 07:35 PM
Yesterday

I do not see Ingrid Jacques as being particularly trustworthy. She's a right-wing columnist for USA Today and it is my strong belief that such people generally don't put the time and effort to research whether their beliefs have much congruency with the real world or how the real world really works.

Vogon_Glory

(9,798 posts)
29. She didn't need to be
Fri May 2, 2025, 08:48 AM
13 hrs ago

She’s a regular columnist for USA Today. I suspect that they were the ones who wrote her pay check.

harumph

(2,679 posts)
9. Same poster that posted a Richard Wolff video.
Thu May 1, 2025, 06:21 PM
Yesterday

BTW, I have the receipts on Richard Wolff for all his supporters
and will bringing them soon to an OP of my own.

John1956PA

(4,008 posts)
10. I looked at the article from the University of Mass. at Amherst.
Thu May 1, 2025, 06:58 PM
Yesterday

An article published by the University of Massachusetts at Amherst reports the results of a poll taken by YouGov (I do not know what that entity is) in early April. I do not see where that UoM article mentions polling findings regarding what Harris voters would have done differently if they had the chance to do it all over. The article does mention that the polling results indicate that two percent of Trump voters regretted voting for him.

The writer of the USA opinion piece (quoted in the OP) mentions the aforesaid University of Massachusetts at Amherst article. However, as I stated, I do not see in the UoM article any discussion regarding regret by voters who cast their ballots for Harris.

ON EDIT: The UMass poll was in cooperation with YouGov which is the entity which communicated directly with the poll participants. A total of 1,081 voters responded to the polling questions. The methodology of the posters winnowed down the number of participants used in the tabulation process to 1,000. As far as I can understand, some buffering of the raw data was implemented in order to confirm the results to a broader, albeit theoretical, demographic matrix.

Demovictory9

(35,561 posts)
11. Republican voters love the deportations and the federal employee firings... as long as it doesnt hit them personally
Thu May 1, 2025, 07:12 PM
Yesterday

Wiz Imp

(4,852 posts)
13. I just looked at the crosstabs for the poll.
Thu May 1, 2025, 07:25 PM
Yesterday

Turns out she LIED. (I know - surprise, surprise!). 11% of Trump voters disapprove of the job he's done so far. 2% answered not sure.

As for the regret question, 74% of Trump voters were very confident they made the right choice BUT 78% of Harris voters were very confident they made the right choice. She also ignores the 1% of Trump voters who have regrets and might vote differently today, and 4% who have mixed feelings. An 12% of non voters regret their not voting and would vote for Harris today. While it's not a surprise that most Trump voters don't regret their vote, they're nowhere near as positive about things as she tries to claim.

all that said, this was maybe the most positive poll for Trump over the past 3 weeks (and it had a very small sample). If this is the best they can do to try to prop up Trump, it shows just how pathetic the overall views of Trump are at this point.

Vogon_Glory

(9,798 posts)
18. Caveat Lector: Let the reader beware
Thu May 1, 2025, 07:38 PM
Yesterday

Not a skill the powers-that-wannabe are going to encourage in post-truth Trumpy America

blubunyip

(130 posts)
23. Thanks
Fri May 2, 2025, 06:11 AM
16 hrs ago

It's helpful to see exactly how she lied outright and by omission. I trust your judgment that "she lied" but I appreciate the explanation. Yeah USA Today is crap journalism. But we cannot ignore crap journalism.

yardwork

(66,426 posts)
27. TrumpCo excels at bending public opinion.
Fri May 2, 2025, 08:24 AM
14 hrs ago

It's all they do, really. Billions of dollars are poured into creating a positive public opinion of Trump.

The effort is strong, but people are noticing that prices are up, not down. They notice that they lost their job. They notice that their local SS office closed. They notice that their VA doctor was laid off. One by one, people will take notice as Trump's fiascos affect them.

SharonClark

(10,462 posts)
19. This is an opinion piece by a right-winger.
Thu May 1, 2025, 07:56 PM
Yesterday

She’s as trustworthy as Trump when it comes to facts.

BootinUp

(49,715 posts)
26. Couple of points
Fri May 2, 2025, 08:23 AM
14 hrs ago

The article is from a conservative and is laced with opinion tha does not align well with facts. I don’t care to take it on one by one, I would rather read quality journalism. Secondly we already know that Trump was elected in large part by people who don’t read news, news being accurate information about what is happening.

gab13by13

(27,888 posts)
28. This article is right wing bullshit
Fri May 2, 2025, 08:39 AM
14 hrs ago

written by Ingrid Jacques who backs Mom's for Liberty who is behind banning books in schools.

Ingrid bashed Hillary's belief, "It Takes A Village,"

Ingrid has also bashed President Biden.

I always look at the source before I even click on an article, it's why I will never click on The Hill.

Let's not have a rule about posting right wing talking points then if it's OK to post her BS.

https://www.dispatch.com/story/opinion/columnist/2023/04/27/biden-government-dictate-kids-education-schools-not-parents/11743676002/

everyonematters

(3,765 posts)
30. This article seems to be written on the premise that Republicans are at least a plurality of the voters.
Fri May 2, 2025, 09:14 AM
13 hrs ago

Republicans only make up about 30% of the electorate. Polls show that Trump is severely underwater with independents who make up 40% of the electorate. Those are the people who regret voting for Trump.

uponit7771

(92,789 posts)
36. ***SIMILAR NUMBERS AS BREXIT AND HITLER VOTERS*** People don't like admitting they were wrong
Fri May 2, 2025, 12:07 PM
10 hrs ago
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