I would say justice following the rule of law.

Everyone should have their day in court. At the same time, if they’ve demonstrated their incompetence, they should be removed from whatever office they’re holding. In the exact same manner that if I demonstrated my incompetence, I should be removed from my job.

Yes, that sounds better.

It's MAGA at all levels now, or supposed to be. In order to purge the stench of Trump we'll need to use the same tactics as Trump.

They leave the Democrats a smoking crater where the Government used to be and guarantee there is no time to drag them through the courts.
It’s going to be all hands on deck to rebuild everything that the GOP broke..
This is because Democrats have to produce results and rescue Americans and Republicans get away scott free to wreck everything again in four years.
Rinse… repeat.
Looks like this time around, Democrats will be facing a Hiroshima sized crater. In a sane society, that would render the GOP radioactive for the neat 20 years and we could actually effect some real change.
I am not sure we live in a sane society.

I suppose the only solution is to gain control of all the propaganda and to brainwash a majority of the people?

Rich Republicans bought up radio stations, news papers, and TV networks, while rich Democrats kept their hands in their pockets.(because we don’t believe that propaganda serves democracy)

That was a tragic mistake. We could not even keep Air America going. We are reaping the result of that mistake .

They saw how effective the Big Lie was for them.

And there are no effective responses and no consequences.

They believe they can defeat anybody and anything with their propaganda.

We should be looking to actually tax the ultra-rich for a change.

...and the wealthy that have taken power. Re-establish and strengthen the IRS and put a few of the criminals in jail if they refuse to pay their fair share of taxes. That is really the only power the people have to compete with the wealthy oligarchs.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of wealthy Democrats in the US Senate that like the tax laws the way they are, also.

Rich or poor? No in-between? No middle-class?

We could make a distinction between the wealthy and the super-wealthy, in my opinion.

They all seem to own multiple houses and millions in assets; if not when they get elected, they sure do by the time they leave.

So there is one. I'm sure there are more.

They should be banned from buying stock because all of them have inside information.

Just like the tax laws, there have also been plenty of opportunities to do just what you are asking. Never seems to be a priority

While we may take back the trifecta, whether we will do so with sufficient Congressional majorities to make changes quickly could be an issue. And one would hope we Dems are keeping a prioritized list of things to reset to right. Canceling the Exec Orders are easy. Digging out the board appointees, deep hires and fixing inner departmental rule changes the current scum are putting in place will be harder. As much as we all may want to see the Trump actions repealed, I think a bigger issue is fixing the laws and lax processes that allowed him to do much of his damage in the first place. Clearly, our years of relying on "norms and customary practices" not codified in law or in laws that have no teeth if violated left the country wildly exposed to rogues and villains.

...that receives a pardon from Donald Trump. We need to clean up the House and Senate and that is the job of every American voter. Be a Patriot, not a Traitor.

Barack Obama, 2009

Just saying...

Correct.

It didn't work out well at all back in 2009, and can't even be contemplated this time, assuming there is an opportunity for justice.

But States' Bar Associations and the judiciary resume their rightful role in the investigation of legal and ethical violations that can and should result in revocation of licenses, should proceed immediately to restore even a modicum of confidence in the legal community and the DOJ.

And-- we have to investigate and prosecute monetary crimes as well as the diversion of sensitive, confidential, private information on a governmental and individual level.

These will have to be early priorities, whether a new administration just wants (badly) to "turn a page" or not.

File RICO charges against every elected official holding federal, state or local office

There will be consequences, everyone will feel them.

...that it will raise the consequences, suffering, to unprecedented levels.

It is not clear to me that the United States will survive, but if it does and honest elections are held under the severely threatened Constitution, reality may lead to a veto proof impeachment capable Congress.

In that case impeachment followed by conviction - admittedly a long shot but no longer than getting here would have seemed five years ago - is a possibility.

One would need to be an extreme optimist to bank on it but improbable events are known in history, including the event of a single corrupt intellectually and morally withered fool destroying the world economy.

And then Repugs will do exactly the same things they’re doing now, but much worse, the next time around.

Not retribution, something worse loosing their jobs as legislators, taxes and justice if warranted, by their actions.

Retribution is a close cousin of revenge, which is not the most worthy motivation when the intent is (or should be) to serve the long term public good.

We are at a tipping point. Our future hangs in the balance. Of course we must not back down from the tough fight we are in, nor refrain from effective tactics to avoid getting our hands dirty.

But we must ALWAYS keep in mind the highest ideals for which we fight, and listen to the better angels of our nature.

I. WANT. PUNISHMENT.

:NUKE:

courts, he was even convicted or fined in some cases, etc., for good reason. However, it didn't help us at polls.

Or would it have been even worse?

Sometimes you just have to do what is the right thing to do. My God! He tried to overthrow the government. Now he is doing it again.

without federal and state charges.

hindering average Americans from achieving success. THAT will win the Democrats more voters. NOT retribution.

The rule of law applied appropriately "jury of peers " or maybe an international court should be fair enough.

Righteous justice is better than retribution. But I get your point.

"the first thing we do, let's kill all the billionaires"

Tax the shit out of 'em.

It's what the Dems always do.

They'll go back to coddling the white supremacy and corporatocracy while it burnishes it's spoils in comfort.

It won't change until a majority of CIS white males and their pick-me screw-yous pull their heads out of their asses.

Lysistrata 2025!

Oh and VOTE, PENDEJOs!

...and we need Democrats who will not shy away from what must be done just because of GOP whining. It needs to be aggressive and it needs to go past Trump himself, past his administration, and also go after the support system. Project 2025 is the Heritage Foundation, the stuffing of the Supreme Court with willing RW operatives is Heritage and the Federalist Society, DOGE isn't just Musk, it's a bunch of Techbro weirdos who want to rip up democracy and establish a type of monarchy. Plus the religious zealots, plus plain old plutocrats, ad nauseum.

Trump has brought all sorts of RW radicals out of the woodwork, especially high-level ones who normally have some benign public front but whose goal would fit in with any Bolshevik: tear it all down and remake it according to their liking.

We're in a civil war already, the Right Wing against Normal People.

We're only 100 days in to a 4 year term of Project 2025, MAGA bullshit, and they have plans for massive voter disenfranchisement and goalpost re-arranging to stay in power. Their language is evolving toward characterizing any political opposition as "election interference" at best and terrorism at worst. The mere act of running against Trump or Trumpers would be met with arrest and attempted prosecution, like Navalny in Russia.

If we ever did get power again, yes - rule of law. But also doing innovative things to at least TRY and bulletproof the system from being hijacked like this in the future. Trump is clearly violating the separation of powers and abusing his authority - and no-one's holding him accountable. We've got to do something to prevent or minimize this in the future. I don't know what that something is. But, the Dems had better have a working group empaneled rght now that is working this.

Overall, I'd say this whole "America" thing won't end well.

I want all the due process. I want every one of these sons of bitches to get what's coming to them. And I want it done in the open, with all the sunlight, air and news coverage available.

If the due process shows they did nothing illegal, they're off the hook. That's the way it works. But for all the crimes against our country, its people and the Constitution, I want public consequences.

No more letting criminals skate 'for the good of the country'. We've tried that, and it's not only done our country no good whatsoever, it's done us considerable harm.