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kentuck

(113,652 posts)
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 11:46 AM Wednesday

I do not think an elected politician should be the next Democratic standard bearer.

I think we need a big change for the top of the ticket.

We need someone that is not in politics, per se.

In my opinion, we need a leader. Someone that is perceived as a leader by Americans of all political persuasions.

The person that comes to mind for me is a retired Admiral. He has written a book about leadership. He led the assault to take out Osama Bin Laden. He is considered an American hero.

And he does not carry the political baggage of any elected Democrats.

It would be someone like Admiral William McRaven.

Just as the Republicans nominated General Dwight Eisenhower in 1952, we should look to do something similar in 2028.

Just my opinion.

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I do not think an elected politician should be the next Democratic standard bearer. (Original Post) kentuck Wednesday OP
Nope. Fiendish Thingy Wednesday #1
Much of Trump's appeal to his supporters was that he was not a "politician". kentuck Wednesday #2
At least politicians are likely to know how government works Fiendish Thingy Wednesday #17
No. Trump's appeal is that he's Trump. Self Esteem Wednesday #30
and no ESPN sports commentators Quiet Em Wednesday #4
Yeah, I count that as a celebrity. Nt Fiendish Thingy Wednesday #16
Right, because someone who has never held PoindexterOglethorpe Wednesday #3
Apples and oranges. kentuck Wednesday #6
It isn't apples and oranges, it's the truth obamanut2012 Wednesday #24
There is no figure in American life today who commands even a fraction of the respect that Eisenhower did in his day. tritsofme Wednesday #5
I Learned This RobinA Wednesday #29
You're onto something. But maybe not military leftstreet Wednesday #7
Bernie Sanders once seemed outsidery, but now not so much. gab13by13 Wednesday #9
But since they aren't doing that... leftstreet Wednesday #11
Obama succeeded because he had not been there long enough to be defined... kentuck Wednesday #13
I think this is a time when we may need a military man. kentuck Wednesday #10
I'm not sure voters give a shit about global standing leftstreet Wednesday #12
Our allies are important. kentuck Wednesday #14
Mark Cuban for President Captain Zero Wednesday #26
WTH gab13by13 Wednesday #8
When marginalized people don't vote it's all in vain Ponietz Wednesday #28
Not sure what we need, but I'm open to anything that will get us back in power and preserve Democratic ideals. Silent Type Wednesday #15
If he wins the nomination he's got my vote. maxsolomon Wednesday #18
I think the OP is on to something Wanderlust988 Wednesday #19
Maybe it's time to regain respect for politics being a profession appmanga Wednesday #20
We need a candidate who is obviously humane, decent, compassionate, honest, and intelligent. Ping Tung Wednesday #21
I think the changes will have to be made at the head... kentuck Wednesday #22
Nope, no military -- there is 100% nothing wrong with an elected public servent obamanut2012 Wednesday #23
Pritzker is a billionaire. kentuck Wednesday #25
I second Pritzker SARose Wednesday #32
Yes, George Clooney'28 Sewa Wednesday #27
An actor that can go on tv, draw a crowd stillcool Wednesday #31
If only Maximilien Robespierre Dan Wednesday #33
I mean, after all, look how well that's worked out for Mango Jebus. Anybody can do it. marble falls Wednesday #34
I'm open to that! Eko Wednesday #35

kentuck

(113,652 posts)
2. Much of Trump's appeal to his supporters was that he was not a "politician".
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 12:02 PM
Wednesday

He was a "businessman".

Be careful with nominating "politicians" in these times.

Fiendish Thingy

(19,213 posts)
17. At least politicians are likely to know how government works
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 12:33 PM
Wednesday

Something billionaires and celebrities don’t

Self Esteem

(2,098 posts)
30. No. Trump's appeal is that he's Trump.
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 04:33 PM
Wednesday

Be careful assuming Trump's success translates perfectly over to a Democratic candidate who has no political experience. That's very narrow thinking.

Trump is a very unique case that likely isn't to be replicated on either side going forward.

The inevitable thought is for Democrats to run someone like Mark Cuban but he lacks the level of cult of personality that makes Trump much bigger than he actually is, and also was before he ever ran for president. There's no non-political person out there who can replicate that.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(27,803 posts)
3. Right, because someone who has never held
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 12:11 PM
Wednesday

political office is such a good idea.

Kind of like letting a dental assistant do brain surgery.

kentuck

(113,652 posts)
6. Apples and oranges.
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 12:13 PM
Wednesday

Are we comparing Donald Trump to Admiral McRaven?

I am just throwing out the idea. It deserves more thought, I would admit. But, I think we do need to get out of the box this time around.

obamanut2012

(28,430 posts)
24. It isn't apples and oranges, it's the truth
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 04:11 PM
Wednesday

You don't get "out of the box" by having a non public servant be the main public servant.

NO.

tritsofme

(19,131 posts)
5. There is no figure in American life today who commands even a fraction of the respect that Eisenhower did in his day.
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 12:13 PM
Wednesday

This hypothetical person does not exist.

RobinA

(10,310 posts)
29. I Learned This
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 04:32 PM
Wednesday

when I was 11 and Eisenhower died. I knew about him, he was a famous general, I knew he was well thought of, but that's about it. He died when I was in 6th grade and my teacher, who I didn't like, was standing in the hallway crying. She was probably in her 50's at the time. Kennedy was assassinated when I was in first grade and I understood the reaction in my 5 year old way, after all, he was shot. Very sad. But Eisenhower, sure he was famous, but it wasn't like he was murdered! It slowly dawned on me as I put it together that I was too young to understand how people felt about him in his day and that he was a very big deal to the WW2 generation. It was the first time I was ever hit with the different age/different world effect. I try to keep it in mind now. Oh, and I liked the teacher better after that. She taught me something that wasn't on the lesson plan!

leftstreet

(36,741 posts)
7. You're onto something. But maybe not military
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 12:19 PM
Wednesday

People essentially despise politicians. Even when they're voting for them

Trump presented as an "outsider" and that resonates.

Bernie Sanders once seemed outsidery, but now not so much.

The Dems just need their own Ross Perot!

gab13by13

(27,907 posts)
9. Bernie Sanders once seemed outsidery, but now not so much.
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 12:24 PM
Wednesday

Isn't that the answer to this thread? Democrats abandoned who they once were and they need to go back to their roots.

leftstreet

(36,741 posts)
11. But since they aren't doing that...
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 12:26 PM
Wednesday

I think the OP was looking for some alternatives

Maybe a relatively unknown person who says Big Things.

Remember Obama? No one knew him, but he talked big things like Universal Healthcare and Shovel Ready Jobs.

kentuck

(113,652 posts)
13. Obama succeeded because he had not been there long enough to be defined...
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 12:29 PM
Wednesday

...and many voters did not see him as a professional politician, in my opinion. But, there is only one Obama and I am not sure he could win again if he were on the ballot?

kentuck

(113,652 posts)
10. I think this is a time when we may need a military man.
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 12:25 PM
Wednesday

To restore faith in our standing in the world and within the ranks of the military.

To send a message to enemies that may be looking to take advantage of the weakened state of our country left by Donald Trump.

I think there are many advantages.

But, I understand we are not looking for a military dictatorship.

The question is, how much does the Democratic Party need to change? We are in a very weak position in the polls. We need changes, but how much? We have allowed ourselves to be re-defined by the opposition and it will not self-correct.

Captain Zero

(7,840 posts)
26. Mark Cuban for President
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 04:26 PM
Wednesday

Sheldon Whitehouse for VP.

Two no nonsense fresh faces.
No worries about their age or mental acuity.

gab13by13

(27,907 posts)
8. WTH
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 12:21 PM
Wednesday

What political baggage are Democrats carrying? For crying out loud, you nailed the problem all right. I am proud to be a progressive Democrat. I wrote letters to the editor to my local red neck newspaper. There were only about 4 of us who fought against the Magats. I had to sign my name so that everyone knew who wrote the letter. The red neck editor publicly called me his "commie pinko buddy."

Democrats need to go back to the basics, go back to what made them who and what they are. Fight for the poor, the marginalized, the disabled, the LGBTQ community and be proud to fight for them.

Democratic leadership needs to stop with the notion that only moderate Dems can win in certain districts, how about nominating the best person?

I hound the guy I play golf with who voted for Trump. He told me that I would never vote for a Republican and then I told him the Republican party is dead, replaced by the Magat party whose leader raped little girls at Jeffrey Epstein's mansion.

Silent Type

(9,154 posts)
15. Not sure what we need, but I'm open to anything that will get us back in power and preserve Democratic ideals.
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 12:30 PM
Wednesday

Wanderlust988

(629 posts)
19. I think the OP is on to something
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 12:42 PM
Wednesday

I'm all for it. I'm trying to win and we need winners. We need to win the EC.

appmanga

(1,105 posts)
20. Maybe it's time to regain respect for politics being a profession
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 02:26 PM
Wednesday

As Supreme Command of the Allied Forces Eisenhower was a politician wearing a uniform, so he had the goods. This answer to this country's issues aren't to be found by electing someone who has no strengths a a politician. Nothing against the general, but should we have elections ever again, it's going to take someone with a fair amount of government experience to repair the damage done.

Ping Tung

(2,271 posts)
21. We need a candidate who is obviously humane, decent, compassionate, honest, and intelligent.
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 02:37 PM
Wednesday

I don';t want a saint. just a decent human being Someone like Jimmy Carter.

kentuck

(113,652 posts)
22. I think the changes will have to be made at the head...
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 03:53 PM
Wednesday

...or at the body. Take your choice. We have to do something to change the 29% favorability rating. People need to perceive that the Democratic Party is willing to change, in my opinion.

obamanut2012

(28,430 posts)
23. Nope, no military -- there is 100% nothing wrong with an elected public servent
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 04:09 PM
Wednesday

We actually need a good public servant, like Biden was, and Harris was, and Pritzker is. He would be a good choice, or similar, with a good Veep like AOC.

kentuck

(113,652 posts)
25. Pritzker is a billionaire.
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 04:21 PM
Wednesday

A lot of Democrats would hesitate to vote for him for that reason, in my opinion.

We all love AOC but she has been painted with the same brush with which they painted Hillary Clinton. She is a child of Satan. They work for years to build the narrative on their perceived enemies. With that said, I cannot think of many elected Democrats that I would choose over her.

I think this election is different from any election we have ever experienced and we have to make our decisions accordingly.

SARose

(1,398 posts)
32. I second Pritzker
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 04:39 PM
Wednesday

The more I see him the more I like him. Seems to be a straight shooter.

The party nominee must be someone who tells voters what he/she will do for them today. Remember how Bill Clinton walked the room at a town hall? That’s what we need.

stillcool

(33,723 posts)
31. An actor that can go on tv, draw a crowd
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 04:33 PM
Wednesday

and needs only one take Obviously not an actress, although an actress for a wife is acceptable. Must be pure white, and a Christian for the red states. Hopefully is very comfortable with weapons and knows all sports stats including NASCAR, and fake wrestling. I'm sure there are more must haves, but it's a start.

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