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AStern

(236 posts)
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 04:27 PM Tuesday

It starts with a closing store.

It starts with a closing store. Joann Fabrics, bankrupt. Hooters, shuttering locations. Retailers disappearing not because the public stopped caring, but because someone, somewhere, quietly decided there was more money to be made if these companies died slowly under a mountain of debt. And as Americans watch their favorite shops vanish and their towns hollow out, most never realize the true cause isn’t market trends or bad business decisions. It’s financial engineering, executed with surgical precision by private equity firms, and silently financed by trillion-dollar asset managers who have woven themselves into every crevice of the global economy.

The story of Joann’s and Hooters mirrors what we’ve seen in dozens of other industries. A private equity firm buys a company using borrowed money, loads that company up with the debt, extracts value through dividends, fees, and sale-leasebacks, and leaves behind a husk. Eventually, the company buckles under the weight. Chapter 11 becomes inevitable. Workers lose their jobs, towns lose their anchors, and the very firms that orchestrated the collapse walk away richer.

Coos County, Oregon, where I live, has been directly impacted by Joann Fabrics' recent closures. The loss of this store is significant for the Coos Bay community, as it served as a primary destination for crafters, quilters, and DIY enthusiasts. Residents have expressed concerns about the lack of local alternatives for purchasing fabrics and craft supplies, highlighting the store's role not just as a retailer but as a community hub.

But private equity isn't acting alone. The financing for this destructive cycle comes from the top: BlackRock, Vanguard, and State Street. Together, these asset managers control over $20 trillion in assets. That’s more than the GDP of the United States. While private equity is the scalpel, the Big Three are the blood supply. They provide the capital through pension funds, retirement accounts, and institutional clients. Your 401(k), your union's pension, your child’s college fund, these are the sources. The money fueling the collapse of Main Street isn’t coming from faraway billionaires. It’s coming from us.

And the system is designed to keep us in the dark. Asset managers claim they are passive investors. They say they don’t direct company behavior. But this is a legal fiction, one that lets them skirt regulatory scrutiny while accumulating an unimaginable amount of economic power. Through their stock holdings, they quietly vote on board members, executive compensation, and mergers. They sit behind closed doors in meetings with CEOs. They don’t need to bark orders. A nod from BlackRock is enough.

Take the fire truck crisis. In towns across America, fire departments are waiting years for new trucks. Existing vehicles sit idle because a proprietary part is backordered. Emergency response times worsen and fires spread. In California, as wildfires tore through neighborhoods, dozens of fire trucks were stuck in municipal boneyards, out of commission for months, because the parts to fix them were delayed or locked behind REV Group's proprietary repair network. These trucks weren't waiting on forest management or fuel. They were waiting on monopolized bolts and hoses. Why? Because a private equity fund rolled up nearly every major fire truck manufacturer and created a bottleneck, deliberately. They slashed production, standardized models, patented parts, and cut the workforce to juice returns. And just like with Joann’s or Hooters, they were funded by institutional money managed by BlackRock and its peers.

The revolving door with government adds another layer of insulation. BlackRock alumni advise the White House. Former central bankers sit on its payroll. Larry Fink, the company’s CEO, sought a cabinet position under Hillary Clinton and now shapes economic policy through proximity and lobbying. BlackRock isn’t just powerful. It is embedded in the very machinery of public life.

When regulators tried to classify BlackRock as systemically important after the 2008 crash, the company doubled its lobbying budget. It funded metro ads targeting policymakers. It self-certified that it didn’t pose a threat. And it worked. BlackRock evaded oversight while continuing to grow. Now, it owns 5% or more in nearly every major corporation. In Amazon it owns more than Jeff Bezos himself.

This isn’t shareholder democracy, rather it’s shareholder oligarchy. The top 1% now own over 50% of corporate equity. The bottom half of Americans? They own almost none. And yet their lives are shaped every day by decisions made by firms that answer only to profit, and only to each other.

And that’s where the illusion of competition breaks down entirely. When BlackRock owns big stakes in Nike, Adidas, Under Armour, and Lululemon, it no longer matters who wins. Competition is blunted. Prices are stabilized, high. Wages are suppressed, low. And the consumer pays more for less, all while being told the market is working.

This is extractive monopolism in a passive disguise. A system where the financiers who profit from destruction also fund the rebuilding. Where every fire truck, every shoe, every grocery aisle, every failing company is just another asset on a spreadsheet managed by a man you’ll never meet, backed by your own retirement savings.

BlackRock doesn’t own everything. But it controls just enough of everything to make sure nothing escapes. The money always flows up. And the collapse, when it comes, will be ours to clean up.

Until we recognize this system for what it is, a quiet coup of capital, we’ll keep watching the fires burn from the sidelines, waiting for a truck that may never come.

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It starts with a closing store. (Original Post) AStern Tuesday OP
Socialized Capitlism Kid Berwyn Tuesday #1
Excellent article. Thanks for posting. I gave a talk about this to me senior group. They SharonAnn Tuesday #2
I love Hooters and nothing to do with the girls. I really like their wings, eat there about once a week. Expensive. OverBurn Tuesday #3
I had a birthday lunch there Skittles Tuesday #22
We used to have nice things in the United States. Initech Tuesday #4
Does America need a Vladimir Lenin style Dan Tuesday #5
That turned out badly for the common people of Russia. Mister Ed Tuesday #8
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss /nt localroger Wednesday #52
No TheProle Tuesday #15
Both Lenin and the Trump coalition are politically authoritarian. markodochartaigh Tuesday #18
I believe this is called "pump and dump" Fil1957 Tuesday #6
Regan and Bush 1. IbogaProject Tuesday #7
I seem to have read DENVERPOPS Tuesday #9
It isn't Capitalism vs Socialism MadameButterfly Wednesday #29
When corporations become government louis-t Wednesday #39
JoAnne's declared bankruptcy before being sold to a private equity firm. MichMan Tuesday #10
Just remember, the goal of private equity isn't to save the company. louis-t Wednesday #34
Isn't profit the goal of every business ? MichMan Wednesday #36
Entrepreneurs grow companies. Vulture capitalists (private equity) suck them dry, which they have to do in private. Bernardo de La Paz Wednesday #37
What happens when those entrepreneurs fail? MichMan Wednesday #40
I was commenting on the general claim that included vulture private equity capitalists in "seeking profit" Bernardo de La Paz Wednesday #45
A couple of points about Joann. louis-t Wednesday #46
I didn't say the goal shouldn't be profit. louis-t Wednesday #38
What is the proposed solution for failing companies if they are prohibited from selling them? MichMan Wednesday #41
Actually, publicly-owned companies have a better success rate. louis-t Wednesday #44
I never knew they got public financing of the debt. I always thought it was banks taking the risk MichMan Wednesday #47
It's banks, bank syndicates and private investors. louis-t Wednesday #49
you sure like defending cybertrucks and vulture capitalists Skittles Wednesday #51
"Capitalism has made it this way..." ZDU Tuesday #11
Excellent. Also Coos County resident. NT Wah_Guy Tuesday #12
And most people don't have a clue how it all works TexasBushwhacker Tuesday #13
Bain! Literally the Bain of our existence. calimary Tuesday #26
Been to a mall lately? BidenRocks Tuesday #14
Get in the wayback machine Earl_from_PA Tuesday #25
I'm retired and old. I have a couple of pairs of shoes with easy slip on, from LL Bean and they've been worn by me for CTyankee Tuesday #27
This can be a positive thing Sucha NastyWoman Tuesday #16
BlackRock, Vanguard, and State Street hold significant ownership stakes in many media companies. sop Tuesday #17
Worse: hasn't Blackrock been involved in scooping up huge numbers of homes for sale, taking them off wiggs Tuesday #19
Yes, and they aren't the only ones. It is a major reason louis-t Wednesday #35
Agree. Terrible, terrible trend. Most of the US will be renters eventually. Except the top 10%. nt wiggs Wednesday #53
Big Lots filed bankruptcy too. Emile Tuesday #20
powerful Demovictory9 Tuesday #21
A Nit To Pick ProfessorGAC Tuesday #23
This is a rather depressing post. WestMichRad Tuesday #24
If my retirement account is funding this... dickthegrouch Tuesday #28
The Mitt Romney playbook. Vulture Capitalism. Scalded Nun Wednesday #30
As a Professional Seamstress, I am saddened by the closing of JoAnn Fabrics. ProudMNDemocrat Wednesday #31
Joann's has been in trouble for years, decades, even. Poor management, stores kept half-empty, employees of the devil... mucholderthandirt Wednesday #32
The home sewing industry DENVERPOPS Wednesday #42
Link without FB? Starbeach Wednesday #33
marygeddry.substack.com AStern Wednesday #43
Joanns should have done store renovations JI7 Wednesday #48
Its a problem when they can make money quakerboy Wednesday #50

Kid Berwyn

(20,206 posts)
1. Socialized Capitlism
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 04:40 PM
Tuesday

Taxpayers take on the risks.

Wealthy take on the profits.

When the spaghetti hits the fan, the taxpayers bail out the wealthy and make certain they get the bonuses to which they are, by birth zip code, entitled.

SharonAnn

(14,034 posts)
2. Excellent article. Thanks for posting. I gave a talk about this to me senior group. They
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 04:45 PM
Tuesday

They didn’t know/understand this. And I’m not sure they believe it even now.

OverBurn

(1,204 posts)
3. I love Hooters and nothing to do with the girls. I really like their wings, eat there about once a week. Expensive.
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 06:00 PM
Tuesday

Initech

(104,640 posts)
4. We used to have nice things in the United States.
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 06:09 PM
Tuesday

Not since the republicans started shitting on everything, we have not. Made even worse by the screaming toddler man baby and his thug regime currently illegally occupying the White House, things are going to get a lot worse.

Dan

(4,651 posts)
5. Does America need a Vladimir Lenin style
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 06:12 PM
Tuesday

Revolution to effect change for the common people?

Mister Ed

(6,586 posts)
8. That turned out badly for the common people of Russia.
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 06:24 PM
Tuesday

Out of the frying pan and into the fire. What a horrible choice the common people are so often presented with.

markodochartaigh

(2,759 posts)
18. Both Lenin and the Trump coalition are politically authoritarian.
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 06:58 PM
Tuesday

Lenin was economically socialist and the Trump coalition is economically capitalist.
We would do better with a Bakunin style leadership which would be economically socialist and politically liberal.
The problem is when you have an authoritarian political leadership (left or right) that leadership will use it's power to enrich itself at the expense of those who actually work.

Incidentally, remember when Republicans hated the Soviet Union? What they hated wasn't the authoritarian political system, what they hated was the socialist economic system. That's why, now that Putin's Russia has shed the socialist economic system but kept the authoritarian political system, the Republicans have been so easily persuaded to support Russia.

IbogaProject

(4,347 posts)
7. Regan and Bush 1.
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 06:19 PM
Tuesday

They slipped in that carried interest tax dodge and they allowed share buybacks to be tax free distributions. Then the GOP congress got Clinton to sign a capital gains tax rate cut.

DENVERPOPS

(11,974 posts)
9. I seem to have read
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 06:28 PM
Tuesday

that Hedge funds have taken over Walgreens, so maybe they also will join the other companies.....

I have felt all along it is the Corporations we had to worry about.

Orwell 1984 warned us of Government.......when he should have warned us about Corporations......

The United State of America will soon be re-named: The Corporate States of America, or The Corporate Tyranny of America.....

MadameButterfly

(2,919 posts)
29. It isn't Capitalism vs Socialism
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 05:56 AM
Wednesday

It is either properly managed.
Totalitarianism will destroy either in favor of the ruling class.
Without enforcement of anti-trust laws Capitalism cease to foster competition and becomes ownership of the few elite. Teddy Roosevelt saved us from the Robber Barons. He came to power because of assassination. How do we elect people who will do what needs to be done, and enact laws that keep big corporations from running everything.

The corporations are as bad as kings. We need to overturn Trump and use this as an opportunity for fundamental change.

louis-t

(24,293 posts)
39. When corporations become government
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 11:40 AM
Wednesday

the result is the same. Censorship, propaganda, lack of transparency, loss of civil rights and free speech.

MichMan

(15,044 posts)
10. JoAnne's declared bankruptcy before being sold to a private equity firm.
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 06:32 PM
Tuesday

It just delayed the inevitable by several months. Hooters had been owned by a couple different private equity firms since the death of the founder in 2006.

Healthy profitable firms don't generally sell out to private equity, they usually turn to them as a last resort. The manufacturing company I retired from declared bankruptcy during Covid. A private equity firm bought it and it remains open.

louis-t

(24,293 posts)
34. Just remember, the goal of private equity isn't to save the company.
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 10:21 AM
Wednesday

The goal is profit. They take out huge loans and PAY THEMSELVES FIRST. Most of the time, the company cannot recover from the restructuring. Very few companies survive.

MichMan

(15,044 posts)
36. Isn't profit the goal of every business ?
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 10:47 AM
Wednesday

FYI, the company I retired from is still operating 4 years after being rescued from bankruptcy. I guess that private equity group didn't know.

Just never saw a profitable successful company just wake up one morning and decide to delist from the stock exchange and sell to a private equity group that would buy it just to shut it down. Lots of examples of companies that are going bankrupt, and the only lifeline was taking an offer from a private equity group.

Bernardo de La Paz

(55,141 posts)
37. Entrepreneurs grow companies. Vulture capitalists (private equity) suck them dry, which they have to do in private.
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 11:25 AM
Wednesday

By withdrawing from the stock market, the equity vultures don't have to report quarterly and can do their wicked work in the shadows.

MichMan

(15,044 posts)
40. What happens when those entrepreneurs fail?
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 11:43 AM
Wednesday

JoAnn wasn't delisted from the stock exchange by choice.

Is the claim that had JoAnn only not been bought by private equity, they would have emerged from bankruptcy and been doing just fine? Why didn't anyone else put up a bid?

Jo-Ann filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection on March 18, 2024.The company planned to cut over $500 million in debt and restructure into a privately held company. It planned to complete its filing by late April with no employees or stores affected. Nasdaq halted the trading of the company's stock on March 28, and on April 9, Jo-Ann was formally delisted from the exchange. The company's reorganization plan was approved by a federal judge on April 25, and Jo-Ann emerged from bankruptcy as a private company.

On January 15, 2025, Joann filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection for the second time in less than a year. The company cited continued declining sales as a contribution to its second filing. Stores were expected to remain open throughout the procedure as the company attempts to shed its debt by $500 million.

On February 12, 2025, Joann announced the closure of 500 of its remaining 800 locations, in an effort to "right-size" the company's footprint. 61 of the locations slated for closure are in California, while Florida, Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania will each see more than 30 Jo-Ann locations close. On February 24, 2025, it was announced that Joann would liquidate the remaining 300 locations after failing to find a buyer. Its assets will be sold to GA Group, a private equity-firm


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo-Ann_Stores

Bernardo de La Paz

(55,141 posts)
45. I was commenting on the general claim that included vulture private equity capitalists in "seeking profit"
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 12:24 PM
Wednesday

I'm not going to comment on specifics of Jo-Ann since I don't have the time or interest.

It is important to distinguish time horizons for profit. Not all all profits are the same. That was my point but I didn't articulate it well.

Many retail companies (a frequent target of vultures) have significant real estate assets and the stock prices undervalue that because stockholders are more focused on levels of continuing profits going forward, and not on assets values that can be captured by collapsing a company.

louis-t

(24,293 posts)
46. A couple of points about Joann.
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 12:45 PM
Wednesday

No one else put up a bid because no one else saw opportunity for profit. Private equity did because they are allowed to pay themselves out of the massive loans they saddle the business with. They don't call it 'Vulture Capitalism' for nothing.

"Declining sales" is part of the equation with Joann, Guitar Center, and Staples. Private equity relies heavily on cost cutting and it seems very little regard is given to increasing sales. It's not in their makeup. They are not experts at selling guitars, fabric or office supplies.

I went to a Joann Fabrics store a few years ago to buy 1 spool of thread. I believe the price was $8 for 1 spool of thread. I walked out. Were all of their prices high? I don't know. Maybe part of their declining sales was being overpriced.

louis-t

(24,293 posts)
38. I didn't say the goal shouldn't be profit.
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 11:32 AM
Wednesday

But the equity firms really don't care if the company they 'saved' fails because they've already been paid. The equity firms then use bankruptcy laws to favor themselves, they don't have to pay back the loans. If it wasn't extremely lucrative, they wouldn't be doing it. Mitt Romney made a fortune after reluctantly getting involved with Bain Capital. He wouldn't even agree to it unless he didn't have to use his own money. Very few companies that are 'rescued' survive. If private equity only made money if the companies they bought survived more than 10 years, they wouldn't be in business long. Guitar Center was bought by Bain Capital and survived for 13 years, then filed for bankruptcy a few years ago after interest on the loans they were forced to take on exceeded $1 billion. Even Staples, which seemed to be doing well after they were bought by private equity in 2017, are having trouble again. The debt is crushing and it only takes a drop in sales, which they are experiencing, to bring about their demise. 20% of private equity-owned companies fail within 10 years. I just read an article that tries to convince the reader that private equity "creates millions of jobs". Actually, the first thing private equity does when buying out a company is restructure, which usually includes firing a bunch of people.

MichMan

(15,044 posts)
41. What is the proposed solution for failing companies if they are prohibited from selling them?
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 11:50 AM
Wednesday

I haven't heard any other than selling them privately is bad.

"20% of private equity-owned companies fail within 10 years"


That would mean that 80% survive more than 10 years. How does that compare to the success rate of any business? Seems pretty good.

louis-t

(24,293 posts)
44. Actually, publicly-owned companies have a better success rate.
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 12:22 PM
Wednesday

Even though private ownership allows less transparency in the way the business is run. I am not advocating banning private equity from buying businesses. You once again are twisting my words. I do think a little more regulation is in order. The idea of buying a business, saddling the company with huge loans, paying yourself first, then "let's see if we can make this business profitable by closing stores, firing people, cutting salaries, cutting corners by buying cheaper products or moving factories overseas" doesn't seem like a system designed to bring success to the business. My entire point was that selling to private equity does not guarantee success and usually the only winner is private equity. The profits are privatized and the losses are socialized. The public ends up paying for defaulted loans. This is how private equity pitches their services to their investors. There is very little risk.

MichMan

(15,044 posts)
47. I never knew they got public financing of the debt. I always thought it was banks taking the risk
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 12:56 PM
Wednesday

That's not good. Who in congress voted for that?

louis-t

(24,293 posts)
49. It's banks, bank syndicates and private investors.
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 01:23 PM
Wednesday

Private equity-owned bankruptcies account for over 10% of all bankruptcies. So it's 20% fail in the first 10 years (which I found out is 10 times the rate for publicly held companies) after privatizing and something like 11% overall. Private equity bankruptcies also account for a significant portion of the largest bankruptcies in the US. The people that do this stuff have forgotten more than I will ever know about financing. It's all a numbers game.

ZDU

(334 posts)
11. "Capitalism has made it this way..."
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 06:32 PM
Tuesday

"Capitalism has made it this way
Old-fashioned fascism
Will take it away"

https://m.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,881 posts)
13. And most people don't have a clue how it all works
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 06:38 PM
Tuesday

I will always remember this speech Mitt Romney made, that was included on a CD provided to potential Bain Capital investors.

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calimary

(86,056 posts)
26. Bain! Literally the Bain of our existence.
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 08:19 PM
Tuesday

Vultures circling overhead looking for an easy carcass.

BidenRocks

(1,394 posts)
14. Been to a mall lately?
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 06:40 PM
Tuesday

For me it's a ghost town of memories of what used to be there.
Like America, malls used to be great places to hang out.
No more! Shoes, hats and jewelry. Nothing I need.

Earl_from_PA

(245 posts)
25. Get in the wayback machine
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 08:11 PM
Tuesday

A 100 years ago, mail order was king in the retail world.
Sears, Montgomery Ward, Spiegel (every year growing up, my school clothes came from the Spiegel catalog).

Following the 2nd world war, brick and mortar took the lead. Places like F.W. Woolworth, J.C. Penny, and Macy's. Why wait for a week or more for your purchase, if you can have it immediately?

With the internet, and sites like Amazon, you can receive your purchase in one day or sooner for less money.

We have come full circle. Mail order (the internet) is once again king.

BTW, Woolworth still exists, as Footlocker, but probably for not much longer. When the day comes that I am forced to buy shoes online, I will go barefoot.

CTyankee

(66,067 posts)
27. I'm retired and old. I have a couple of pairs of shoes with easy slip on, from LL Bean and they've been worn by me for
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 08:38 PM
Tuesday

several years, every day. I have kept all of the shirts and pants from there also. I buy my socks at the supermarket. I'm as basic as you can get when it comes to clothes. I don't care. But I DO care about having enough money to keep food in the house. I am always frantic about those bills and utilities. And I am on the phone constantly working out payment plans for utilities.

Sometimes I think I'd be better off declaring bankruptcy and facing those consequences...

Sucha NastyWoman

(2,999 posts)
16. This can be a positive thing
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 06:46 PM
Tuesday

If small local businesses seize the opportunity to take their place.

sop

(13,961 posts)
17. BlackRock, Vanguard, and State Street hold significant ownership stakes in many media companies.
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 06:56 PM
Tuesday

They are major shareholders in companies like Fox, CBS, Comcast (which owns NBC, MSNBC, CNBC, and Sky), and others. Their shareholdings give them a significant voice in corporate decisions, especially through proxy voting.

wiggs

(8,223 posts)
19. Worse: hasn't Blackrock been involved in scooping up huge numbers of homes for sale, taking them off
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 07:02 PM
Tuesday

the sales market permanently, and renting them out forever? This is a terrible practice, and IIRC dems had introduced legislation to limit that kind of thing. But now....

louis-t

(24,293 posts)
35. Yes, and they aren't the only ones. It is a major reason
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 10:40 AM
Wednesday

for shortage of houses for sale and increasing rents. The other reason is builders haven't built houses in an affordable price range for most people in the last 20 years. I am suspicious of the "family-owned" home buying businesses that are all over tv now. This guy and his wife and 2 kids aren't buying up homes, they must have wealthy backers. The commercials alone cost a fortune, running 20 times a day on many networks. What I'm also seeing is, it's getting tougher to qualify for rentals. Most of the Landlords are increasing their minimum credit score requirement. I used to be able to get people through with a 550 credit score and I would laugh at the ones saying "bring me a 700 credit score and I'll rent to them". Now it's 650 minimum, and if it's a couple, they both have to have 650 or better. Rentals are staying on the market for months, rather than rent to someone who they think might damage the home or stop paying and have to be evicted. I'm not sure where this is going, but it's possible rents could come down when the market gets glutted with rental homes.

wiggs

(8,223 posts)
53. Agree. Terrible, terrible trend. Most of the US will be renters eventually. Except the top 10%. nt
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 07:28 PM
Wednesday

ProfessorGAC

(72,485 posts)
23. A Nit To Pick
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 07:19 PM
Tuesday

The article says those capital firms control "over $20 trillion" saying that is greater than US GDP.
US GDP is nearly $28 trillion.
"Over $20 trillion" is a pretty weak descriptor because 80% of the possible values fail to make the statement true.

dickthegrouch

(4,001 posts)
28. If my retirement account is funding this...
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 08:59 PM
Tuesday

Why the fuck isn’t it going up in value???
Exactly how do the thieves manage to make off with our money?
Is it solely by giving themselves grossly inflated salaries and bonuses?
How in the hell do we ever regain control????

ProudMNDemocrat

(19,610 posts)
31. As a Professional Seamstress, I am saddened by the closing of JoAnn Fabrics.
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 09:41 AM
Wednesday

Before moving to the Twin Cities from Rochester for to 3 years ago, I kept the Rochester store busy over the many years with buying specialty fabrics for Renaissance and related Pirate commissions, mundane sewing projects, notions and tools for my trade. Moving to the Twin Cities area, the closest supper store was in Edina off France Avenue. If I could not get to the store, I ordered online. Now that will likely cease as well.

At least the local Michaels store near me is picking up the slack for simple cottons, notions, etc., that I need on the quick. I do have sources for fabrics from various vendors online and Etsy. How the tariffs will affect my business, that is hard to tell being that much of the fabrics I use are imported from overseas and I will have to pass that on to my clients.

I do have two fabric warehouses within 20 minutes of me called SR Harris. They carry notions as well.

The closing down of businesses affects communities in so many ways.

mucholderthandirt

(1,477 posts)
32. Joann's has been in trouble for years, decades, even. Poor management, stores kept half-empty, employees of the devil...
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 10:13 AM
Wednesday

Those of us who sew and/or craft have known this, we've dealt with it, but the truth is, if you had nothing but a Joann's, you felt lucky there was something at all. Fabric stores are pretty much not going to ever be a thing again. People stopped sewing basically for a decade or so, and the businesses just died. I remember loving Hancock Fabrics, they were huge and had everything. Kmart didn't sell fabric and only basic sewing supplies. We didn't have Walmart in those days. We had a couple of other local places you could get some craft supplies, but it wasn't a lot of variety. Now most Walmart stores closed up their fabric sections (we still have one, barely). It's a crafting desert out there. Thank goodness for online!

DENVERPOPS

(11,974 posts)
42. The home sewing industry
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 11:55 AM
Wednesday

began it's major demise in the late 70's, early 80's. I was in the "needle trades" at the time, and home sewing machines like Singer, Bernina, etc were flailing.............it seemed the crashing of the industry was caused by all the incredibly cheap off shore labor in the Garment industry........Making garments/clothes cheaper to buy from abroad, than to sew here in the U.S. or sew yourself........

JI7

(91,823 posts)
48. Joanns should have done store renovations
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 01:15 PM
Wednesday

Crafting is very popular on social media. Especially with all the parties and other things people do just to post on social media.



quakerboy

(14,342 posts)
50. Its a problem when they can make money
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 01:57 PM
Wednesday

by driving a company under.

Letting people play these financial games.. leveraging shit for cash out, shorting, etc, was a huge mistake.

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