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speak easy

(11,437 posts)
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 10:00 AM Monday

"you sick c---" ... 'a very Australian compliment.'

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Last edited Mon Apr 28, 2025, 11:38 AM - Edit history (1)

A reminder that we may speak english but it's not exactly the same language everywhere all the time . In Australia the C word is an expression of affection amongst Aussie men.

Selfies, hecklers and obscenities as Albanese risks a walk down the street

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese kicked off his final week with a half-hour walk through the south-west Sydney suburb of Cabramatta, in one of the first public street walks done by either leader in this year’s campaign.

The prime minister was loudly heckled by Payman’s NSW Senate candidate, Emanie Darwiche, who cried: “Anthony Albanese, you are committing genocide”.

Another man in a van driving past yelled out: “You’re the reason we’re broke, bro”.

A third heckler was in higher spirits. “Hey Albo,” they shouted from their car window, before using an expletive – “you sick c---” – to give the prime minister a very Australian compliment. Albanese, who was getting into the car at that moment, laughed loudly once inside – a sign that he was not offended.

Sydney Morning Herald

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"you sick c---" ... 'a very Australian compliment.' (Original Post) speak easy Monday OP
It's still a pretty offensive in most circles, and if anyone is stupid enough to go to Australia JohnSJ Monday #1
disagree speak easy Monday #2
I'll be there in July, and the phrase is often used as a term of endearment in Ireland. We have an extensive list OnDoutside Monday #3
Well, that's just darling whathehell Monday #45
Nope. The US is not the world NoRethugFriends Monday #4
Having to refer to some one with the use of female genitalia, only highlights the sexist garbage that JohnSJ Monday #28
No, but DU is a progressive American board whathehell Monday #50
And you felt it so important to post here on a site full of American women who take great offense boston bean Monday #5
They would have easily voted for Hillary and Kamala Harris JI7 Monday #7
Umm so that is the lesson we all must learn here on this site. Have the word flung in our face to ensure boston bean Monday #11
I have edited the OP. speak easy Monday #14
So very gracious of you. boston bean Monday #15
Thank God for small favors! Prairie Gates Monday #18
You are most welcome old sport speak easy Monday #21
Oh my, you sound "offended" JohnSJ Monday #32
No offense taken, only speak easy Monday #35
Oh my, you sound surprised by the possibility! whathehell Monday #53
During the 2016 election there were some here trying to justify that slur against Hillary because it was JohnSJ Monday #31
Is there a reason you edited the article in the first place to include the word, Ms. Toad Monday #37
I edited it after a personal request in the mail. speak easy Monday #38
You missed my point. The word WAS NOT in the article you linked to. Ms. Toad Monday #40
"Why did you ADD it when you originally posted the article?' speak easy Monday #41
Still missing the point. You added a word that was not part of the original article, Ms. Toad Monday #42
Nonsense. speak easy Monday #49
Are you saying the word WAS in the original article? n/t Ms. Toad Monday #51
you can hide the thread, like I'm about to... eShirl Monday #20
Sometimes I think it might be better to let people expose themselves for who they really are. JohnSJ Monday #33
Not only that, but to insert the actual word - when the word was not included in the article - Ms. Toad Monday #36
The response to the OP went exactly as I expected before opening the thread. BannonsLiver Monday #6
I wonder what would happen if someone posted 'n-----' sarisataka Monday #8
No. The N word originated in the United States speak easy Monday #10
It seems to have originated in England in the late 16th century meaning 'black African' sarisataka Monday #13
The term was synonymous with the slave trade speak easy Monday #19
Not true, if you look up the etymology sarisataka Monday #26
3....2....1.... Prairie Gates Monday #9
In England as well bif Monday #12
I'm just imagining all the people in this thread going to England, hearing it, and reaching for the smelling salts. BannonsLiver Monday #23
LOL stop leftstreet Monday #25
The first time I saw it used was when I read DH Lawrence's, "Lady Chatterley's Lover"', where it was used extensively. jalan48 Monday #16
In Scotland it's like saying "hey you" lame54 Monday #17
It's become more and more clear over the years... A HERETIC I AM Monday #22
Archie Bunker? Man-splaining why hurtful language should go unchallenged, Maru Kitteh Monday #27
You have been a member of this board for almost as long as I have. A HERETIC I AM Monday #34
If cunt is a mere word and only remotely controversial, then Brenda Monday #43
Because context is everything. A HERETIC I AM Monday #52
Which context would your mother or wife or other close female Brenda Monday #54
Are you serious? A HERETIC I AM Monday #55
Nobody here said Aussies are under obligation to bow to anything. Brenda Monday #56
It's certainly going as I anticipated Quiet Em Monday #44
Like any word, it's all in how you use it. CANADIANBEAVER69 Monday #24
Cloak it all you want, it is misogynistic Beringia Monday #29
I never use the word Traildogbob Monday #30
Game of Thrones used it a lot Polybius Monday #39
You know, it was only six months ago that Leon Musk used it against VP Harris Quiet Em Monday #46
The dude bros are getting giddy.... this is like viagra for them. n/t demmiblue Monday #47
Only a Real Pri*k Would Use That Word in General Discussion. MineralMan Monday #48
AFTER a review by forum hosts LOCKING Omaha Steve Monday #57

JohnSJ

(98,506 posts)
1. It's still a pretty offensive in most circles, and if anyone is stupid enough to go to Australia
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 10:27 AM
Monday

using it among people they do not know, good luck with that.

speak easy

(11,437 posts)
2. disagree
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 10:34 AM
Monday

"if anyone is stupid enough to go to Australia". I think the lead reporter who wrote “a very Australian compliment” lives in Australia, but what would he know?

OnDoutside

(20,812 posts)
3. I'll be there in July, and the phrase is often used as a term of endearment in Ireland. We have an extensive list
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 10:56 AM
Monday

whathehell

(30,140 posts)
45. Well, that's just darling
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 01:48 PM
Monday

but as a gender slur that expresses contempt for women's bodies, it does not endear itself to women on this board or in this country..Just sayin'.

NoRethugFriends

(3,306 posts)
4. Nope. The US is not the world
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 11:06 AM
Monday

Happily this survived an alert. While this word is certainly offensive in the US, not in UK or Australia

JohnSJ

(98,506 posts)
28. Having to refer to some one with the use of female genitalia, only highlights the sexist garbage that
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 12:32 PM
Monday

is so prevalent.

The use of the racist, sexist words is also "acceptable in some places in UK, Australia, and yes, even in the the good old USA as evidenced by twice electing a sexist, racist, sociopath twice to the WH. The disgraceful slurs use against Hillary in 2016, INCLUDING the "C" word, where some HERE justified its use because it is acceptable in the UK and Australia was despicable.

All my life I have heard people justify using racial and sexist slurs, and it's pathetic, but so is "The Human Catastrophe"

It will be interesting if Dutton wins if he will try to follow in the footsteps of trump's DEI policies where he thinks Aboriginal welcomes are 'overdone':

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c209y312q89o

I wish we could give back Murdoch back.




whathehell

(30,140 posts)
50. No, but DU is a progressive American board
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 01:59 PM
Monday

so 'celebrating' it here is about as smart as dumping a turd in a punch bowl.



boston bean

(36,769 posts)
5. And you felt it so important to post here on a site full of American women who take great offense
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 11:08 AM
Monday

to the slur? The absolute worst thing one could call a woman? Why?

JI7

(91,823 posts)
7. They would have easily voted for Hillary and Kamala Harris
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 11:14 AM
Monday

over Trump. I think cultural context is important.

boston bean

(36,769 posts)
11. Umm so that is the lesson we all must learn here on this site. Have the word flung in our face to ensure
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 11:39 AM
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American women know it’s ok to use the slur in Australia?

speak easy

(11,437 posts)
14. I have edited the OP.
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 11:44 AM
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boston bean

(36,769 posts)
15. So very gracious of you.
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 11:46 AM
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Prairie Gates

(4,974 posts)
18. Thank God for small favors!
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 11:52 AM
Monday

speak easy

(11,437 posts)
21. You are most welcome old sport
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 11:59 AM
Monday

JohnSJ

(98,506 posts)
32. Oh my, you sound "offended"
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 12:40 PM
Monday

speak easy

(11,437 posts)
35. No offense taken, only
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 12:55 PM
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in a hurry to take a quick trip on the hydroplane.

whathehell

(30,140 posts)
53. Oh my, you sound surprised by the possibility!
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 02:22 PM
Monday

I've no idea where you're from. but virtually everyone in the US considers it a contemptous gender slur, so yes, it just might cause offense on a progressive US board whose membership is at least 50% female...Just sayin'.

JohnSJ

(98,506 posts)
31. During the 2016 election there were some here trying to justify that slur against Hillary because it was
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 12:39 PM
Monday

perfectly acceptable in the UK and Australia.

I have heard the same sorry excuses leveled with other racial and sexist phrases all my life, and it is pathetic.

Ms. Toad

(36,763 posts)
37. Is there a reason you edited the article in the first place to include the word,
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 01:06 PM
Monday

when the article you linked to does not include it?

Suggesting you edited the original article (which did not contain an expletive) in order to remove the expletive (that wasn't there) is a bit misleading.

speak easy

(11,437 posts)
38. I edited it after a personal request in the mail.
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 01:13 PM
Monday

Ms. Toad

(36,763 posts)
40. You missed my point. The word WAS NOT in the article you linked to.
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 01:18 PM
Monday

I read the article (of which the comment was a very minor part) - the word was not spelled out. Just to make sure, I did a search-in-page. The word is not spelled out in the link you provided.

Why did you ADD it when you originally posted the article?

speak easy

(11,437 posts)
41. "Why did you ADD it when you originally posted the article?'
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 01:25 PM
Monday

Because I am not an Australian journalist bound by the style guide of a major metropolitan newspaper.

Ms. Toad

(36,763 posts)
42. Still missing the point. You added a word that was not part of the original article,
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 01:31 PM
Monday

A word which you knew would be offensive.

You weren't quoting the article, as you implied, and then editing out the expletive when someone here took offense.

You deliberately created the offense by adding the offensive word which did not appear in the article you quoted, and then pretended to edit out what had never been there in the first place.

speak easy

(11,437 posts)
49. Nonsense.
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 01:56 PM
Monday

Ms. Toad

(36,763 posts)
51. Are you saying the word WAS in the original article? n/t
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 02:03 PM
Monday

eShirl

(19,271 posts)
20. you can hide the thread, like I'm about to...
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 11:58 AM
Monday

JohnSJ

(98,506 posts)
33. Sometimes I think it might be better to let people expose themselves for who they really are.
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 12:44 PM
Monday

Ms. Toad

(36,763 posts)
36. Not only that, but to insert the actual word - when the word was not included in the article -
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 01:03 PM
Monday

In other words - it was added here on DU solely to offend - not edited to delete an expletive (as the edit commentary suggests) once a direct quote was offensive.

That quote was not even a focus of the article, and (based on the article) could easily be a different 4-letter word which begins with "c."

BannonsLiver

(19,065 posts)
6. The response to the OP went exactly as I expected before opening the thread.
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 11:11 AM
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🙄

sarisataka

(21,663 posts)
8. I wonder what would happen if someone posted 'n-----'
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 11:21 AM
Monday

justifying it because it wasn't seen as offensive in another country?
Or maybe 'f-gg-t'... Would we see the same tolerance because it is a different culture?

speak easy

(11,437 posts)
10. No. The N word originated in the United States
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 11:34 AM
Monday

and has a meaning inseparable from the obscenity of slavery.

C word has been around since the 1200s and has taken on different usage around the English speaking world

Americans own the N world just as surely as we own the horror of the plantations and the White House built with slave labour.

sarisataka

(21,663 posts)
13. It seems to have originated in England in the late 16th century meaning 'black African'
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 11:44 AM
Monday

but it took on different usage around the English speaking world...

Just because a word wasn't offensive centuries ago does not mean it is acceptable today.

speak easy

(11,437 posts)
19. The term was synonymous with the slave trade
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 11:56 AM
Monday

from the get go, and after abolition within the English empire, synonymous with the United States.

sarisataka

(21,663 posts)
26. Not true, if you look up the etymology
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 12:22 PM
Monday

It was derogatory but not synonymous with the slave trade or United States. (I think you mean associated, not synonymous)

Prairie Gates

(4,974 posts)
9. 3....2....1....
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 11:23 AM
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bif

(25,293 posts)
12. In England as well
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 11:43 AM
Monday

They say, "He's a right C***," for "he's a good Joe."

BannonsLiver

(19,065 posts)
23. I'm just imagining all the people in this thread going to England, hearing it, and reaching for the smelling salts.
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 12:07 PM
Monday

Or even more amusingly, attempting to correct the person who said it. Imagine the reaction when someone asks for a cigarette.

leftstreet

(36,741 posts)
25. LOL stop
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 12:19 PM
Monday

I can still remember the first time I said in the US "I'm going out for a (insert Brit term for cigarette)"

Say what?

jalan48

(14,861 posts)
16. The first time I saw it used was when I read DH Lawrence's, "Lady Chatterley's Lover"', where it was used extensively.
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 11:49 AM
Monday

It was in a college English class and as I recall there was no protest for the use of the word. I wonder if the book is still read by college students today and how the use of the word is dealt with in the classroom.

lame54

(37,893 posts)
17. In Scotland it's like saying "hey you"
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 11:50 AM
Monday

A HERETIC I AM

(24,766 posts)
22. It's become more and more clear over the years...
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 12:02 PM
Monday

That the level of intolerance for mere words on DU has risen to the point that anyone wanting to post anything remotely controversial using language that might offend the oh-so-delicate sensibilities of a group of old farts (and yes, I am one too, and I am well aware of the demographics of this message board) runs the risk of a hidden post. I've been here for over 20 years and I think a lot of posters here have completely forgotten what it was like to be young.

Forget that fact that the OP didn't actually call ANYONE on this board or anywhere else a "cunt", he was merely reporting a story, it doesn't matter because there are a bunch of people here who just can not let anyone else say things that THEY don't like.

As the other poster said, this thread has gone exactly as could be anticipated.

Maru Kitteh

(30,114 posts)
27. Archie Bunker? Man-splaining why hurtful language should go unchallenged,
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 12:30 PM
Monday

like we haven’t heard it all before. I find it offensive, myself, but I have no interest in stopping any knuckle-dragging mouth-breather's opportunity to showcase their own stupidity. Just don’t expect my silence as you express your misogyny. I will not grant it.


A HERETIC I AM

(24,766 posts)
34. You have been a member of this board for almost as long as I have.
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 12:52 PM
Monday

And although we do not interact that much, I want to know if your opinion of me, after 21 years of being on the same message board, is that I am a misogynist? Really?

Mansplaining? LOL. Rich, I must say.

Hell, I wouldn't be living up to my user name if I wasn't willing to go against the grain now would I?

You are free to think anything you want of me. I promise I will not lose any sleep over it. The people who have actually paid attention to the things I have written over the years, and the other former DU'ers I am in contact with regularly have different views of who I am and whether or not I am a decent sort.
Be offended and say whatever you want. I can assure you I will not alert on anything you say.

But no one called you any offensive name

As comedian Steve Hughes so accurately pointed out, "when did sticks and stones may break my bones" stop being relevant?"

Brenda

(1,555 posts)
43. If cunt is a mere word and only remotely controversial, then
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 01:36 PM
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Why don't you call your mother, sister, wife, girlfriend, female coworker or any other female you know a cunt to their face and let us know how they responded.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,766 posts)
52. Because context is everything.
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 02:13 PM
Monday

Which is EXACTLY the point the OP was trying to make.

Brenda

(1,555 posts)
54. Which context would your mother or wife or other close female
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 02:27 PM
Monday

think nothing of it when you used the word. So, not calling them a cunt, but calling Chump a cunt.

They'd all be okay with that?

Are they American?

A HERETIC I AM

(24,766 posts)
55. Are you serious?
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 02:50 PM
Monday

Really?

This Original Post was about an Australian politician being called a cunt by a constituent on the street, a slur that by their standards, is common vernacular.

The fact that you and others on this board absolutely REFUSE to see the distinction is remarkable, if nothing else.

This sub thread is headed the exact same direction as the one I had in this thread starting with this post a little over 6 years ago.

It's almost exactly the same. People getting offended at a word used in a story that had nothing to do with them, using vernacular common to a different culture and place and faulting the person that reported it for being insensitive and then commenting on it as if the OP was referring to them.

THESE ARE AUSSIES WE ARE TALKING ABOUT! They are free people, fully able to determine what is offensive and what isn't. They are under no obligation to bow to the sensitivities of other nations or cultures, much less the notoriously puritanical hypocrites that Americans tend to be or even more particularly, the tiny sliver of the American electorate represented by the members of Democratric Underground dot com.

Brenda

(1,555 posts)
56. Nobody here said Aussies are under obligation to bow to anything.
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 03:10 PM
Monday

Typical mansplaining straw man stuff.

Why on Earth would someone post something on DU, an American liberal website (with rules about sexist language) using cunt in the OP title other than to shit stir?

Are you telling me the OP was unaware that females on DU and hopefully some males would find that offensive? Uh-huh.

By your indignation at people's indignation over a word, it would seem you're okay with any OP quoting any words that may have a different meaning in the US. Start one with the word faggot or nigger in the OP and see how long that lasts.


Quiet Em

(1,856 posts)
44. It's certainly going as I anticipated
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 01:45 PM
Monday

a bunch of pseudo intellectuals pretending they are having a worthwhile discussion when they are really just looking for a rise.

CANADIANBEAVER69

(663 posts)
24. Like any word, it's all in how you use it.
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 12:16 PM
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I am a woman and I really couldn't care less if someone said it to me. Dramatized words

Beringia

(5,033 posts)
29. Cloak it all you want, it is misogynistic
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 12:37 PM
Monday

same as the word whore

Traildogbob

(11,071 posts)
30. I never use the word
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 12:37 PM
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Just a simple thing to do to respect women. But, yes there is a but, it is So damn hard not to with all these Trump women throughout the regime.
But, I will not out of respect for all the other women. Not because I have a thimble of respect for ANY trump women. Noem, Marge, Podium Barbie, Boobert, Ingraham. Melania, Gabbert, Mace, trumps lawyer, Many more, I will never call you that…….only think it. In An Australian framing.
Watched the Ted Lasso co star Standup special on HBO, he explained the use of it from his homeland.

Polybius

(19,840 posts)
39. Game of Thrones used it a lot
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 01:14 PM
Monday

Before that show, I never heard it in that context.

Quiet Em

(1,856 posts)
46. You know, it was only six months ago that Leon Musk used it against VP Harris
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 01:49 PM
Monday

He certainly didn't mean it as a term of endearment.

I'm certain you know the word is very offensive to many women who visit this site.

Weird way to spend a beautiful Monday but, whatever.

I have zero interest in participating in this conversation any further.

demmiblue

(38,271 posts)
47. The dude bros are getting giddy.... this is like viagra for them. n/t
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 01:51 PM
Monday

MineralMan

(148,975 posts)
48. Only a Real Pri*k Would Use That Word in General Discussion.
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 01:53 PM
Monday

Using words derived from the names of genital parts really reveals a lot about a person who does so.

What is revealed is something about that person's personality that is pretty damned ugly, I think.

Now, I don't cringe at the C-word or the P-word. I'm far past that, just from age and familiarity. That, however, does not mean that I don't alter my perception of a person who does use such words in general discussion.

So carry right on with that nonsense, but realize that you are revealing more about yourself than you might like.

Omaha Steve

(105,397 posts)
57. AFTER a review by forum hosts LOCKING
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 03:12 PM
Monday

This post isn't about politics, issues, or current events.

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