but much destruction must we endure before he destroys himself?

Of course they are clowns; cruel, murderous clowns. Of course they all always fall eventually. But after how many deaths? It took 50 million when buffoons and clowns took over in Europe in the 30's.

Then they will stop him.

Until then the rest of us can burn

...will suffer in the meantime and the great brand that was America will take decades to rebuild even if we never see the likes of a Trump again.

It just CAN'T happen. CAN'T.

Break up the media, remove corporate person-hood. Restrict political contributions. Make anyone who serves in politics unable to make book deals, get onto corporate boards and so on. Term limits. No more becoming a millionaire in public office. You know how they get that way, it can't happen anymore.

Enshrine humanitarian law in the Constitution, like a woman's right to choose, protection for minorities, LGBTQ+, voting rights, civil liberties.

So many things could have been prevented had Congress cleaned up the arcane and the overly broad elements in past legislation. People always say that when a law gets passed and folks know it is not perfect, "Oh we can go back and adjust things later". Clearly that has not happened enough. Admittedly Trump is an out of bounds idiot but expecting everyone to stay within the "customs and norms" when there is no timely and meaningful penalty for not doing that is clearly a mistake. Shame and embarrassment is no longer an incentive to be better.

More alarming is the dismantling of the Federal government, the traditional regulator of law, business, the economy, civil rights. Only some courts work the way they once did.

Last time he had real people, much as we disagreed with them & some of them weren't so competent, but they at least were sane & still believed (mostly) in the Constitution. Unfortunately, they are also what kept people from seeing just how horribly incompetent Trump is. Well not us, of course, We knew it when he came down the escalator.

1) the collapse of Social Security/Medicare

2) a tariff-induced recession so severe that Republicans in Congress get “yippy” and start having panic attacks about severe losses in the 2026 midterms. Only a collective fear of losing re-election that outweighs the fear of being primaried by a more extreme MAGA opponent, or physical threats from MAGA loyalists will push congress to act to remove Trump.

Other than possibly invading another country, no other act of hubris or incompetence will put Trump at risk of removal.

How would those things bring him down?

"...Republicans in Congress get “yippy” and start having panic attacks..."

They get “yippy” and start having panic attacks and then they do what?

The article begins "Tyrants come to a sticky end, or so history suggests. Richard III and Coriolanus made bloody exits. More recently, Saddam Hussein went to the gallows, Slobodan Milosevic went to jail, Bashar al-Assad went into exile. Libya’s Muammar Gaddafi was run to ground in a sewer. Tyranny, from the Greek túrannos (“absolute ruler”), is typically fuelled by hubris and leads ineluctably to nemesis. Tyrants are for toppling. Their downfall is a saving grace."

But what about those who don't? I'm no historian, but I suspect there is a long list. Particularly considering the large number of Tyrants in history.
Stalin?
The House of Saud?
Rulers of some of the former Soviet "Stan" republics?
South American dictators?
I'm throwing out possibilities here.

I'd like to know about former democracies or near democracies whose leaders went authoritarian and what happened.
Those may be the applicable cases.

And all fellow grifters snd collaborators need to be dealt with too. Otherwise the cycles continue...

Took him 25 years of ruthless hate to do it before his violent foolishness destroyed his own country almost to the ground.

Lessons should be learned from his demise... but it seems reading is not popular enough these days.

Maduro has been in power now for 12 years and there's no sign of him leaving anytime soon. He came to power fairly legitimately, winning a very narrow election in 2013 and now every election is a sham. He's not going anywhere any time soon.

while they live it is in fear. A dictator doesn't retire. He doesn't move freely. He surrounds himself with a protective guard which he can never be without. Assassination attempts abound. Some manage to make it to a natural death, but they don't live a natural life.

It took world war for Hitler and Mussolini to fall.

(Strange that the author lists Coriolanus as a "tyrant"; his historicity is not definite, but in the general story, or in Shakespeare's play, he's never in sole charge of Rome, and so not a "tyrant". He was a senior general who thought Rome was being too generous to the plebeians, so he defected to a rival city and led an assault on Rome which was about to succeed. But the story goes that his mother and/or wife pleaded for mercy for Rome, and he withdrew.)

did not fall, they died in power.
Hitler and Mussolini from their actions against other nations, not from internal dissent.
Tyrants do not always fall.

He is a bumbling fool, especially in comparison. That seems to be a compelling difference. I know you are arguing that they didnt fall. But perhaps this is partially why. Some, like Henry VIII were in positions difficult to fall from until death anyway.

when all with any power to do something support him?

But I don't see that continuing as he continues to fall apart at the seams. Big donors will flinch when they start bleeding money, and they are. Congress faithful will rethink when reelection looks iffy, and it is. He is not infallible as he perches precariously on the heap of shit he has created. Our job is to keep up the pressure. We can and we will. It's not hopeless. Watch Rachel Maddow's final few 100 days shows!

Keep up the pressure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If things continue to get worse people will continue to be out in the streets. General strike should be considered.

and Trump has many of his traits. The US also has a strongly entrenched democracy--most countries that fall to dictators don't have our history. I'm betting on Trump falling. I hope he does it before he dies because I don't want any dignity left if it falls to Vance. Better if they both fall, with a Democratic House waiting in line.

in starting a global war. Not from domestic opposition.
Do you see another country taking down Trump?
Do you see anyone with any real power (Like the GOP Congress) going after him?
I don't.

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Yes.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20215296

China, Russia, Iran and North Korea could paralyze the country in a minute with hack attacks against a defense fighting DEI rather than foes.

Same for the military defense.

He opened the barn door. No doubt to create another 9/11 so he can claim (if not get) dictatorial power.

These are catastrophic but he doesn't care.

Only his power matters.

These scenarios must be prevented. How?

That's the supreme question. Pun unintended.

and maybe a few real wars here and there: allying with Russia in Ukraine and on to Europe, Panama, Greenland (and Denmark and NATO), and Canada. Our military weaponry is supreme but I don't see our soldiers eager for any of these battles. I don't see him getting away with using our soldiers as cannon fodder like Putin is doing in Ukraine and then expecting them to enforce his illegal orders in the US against Americans peacefully protesting.

Yes, I think Europe, China, and their allies will defeat the US economically and that may take down Trump.

I suspect that half the Republicans in Congress already revile him and his policies but are afraid to act. I think there may come a time when Republicans fear supporting what Trump is doing more than they fear going against Trump. It takes only a handful of Republicans in Congress to turn this around. A larger number protects them from the MAGA brownshirts. Some event, someone with the courage to stand up may be a tipping point.

The NLRB whistleblower is standing up to him and where this goes is important.
Courts are going after him.
Real power in the end is that which can be enforced. When it all plays out, what will the military do? Will they answer to Trump or the constitution? We must make sure at least that they know the difference. We must make sure they know they have a choice.

And years of a horrible war, many military and civilian deaths….

power like Hitler did. Our best chance to turn it around is early while we have media to expose the corruption. Note that we are not in economic ruin from losing a recent World War, nor do we have a long prior history of monarchy. We have a much better chance than Germany did.

But the parallels between the psychological make up of the 2 men remain. The hubris that did Hitler in can do in Trump even if it's not in exactly the same scenario. We'll have no one to rescue us as Europe did, but Trump can overplay his hand like Hitler did. He may start invading other countries while his control is tenuous at home. He has so many plans that will tank the economy that his supporters will fall away, rich and poor. He may soon be exposed as a Russian spy as the whistelblower complaint from NLRB plays out.

At some point the support of SCOTUS, and even the military will be in question. If every soldier has a family member on the streets from economic ruin, or being deported, or if they are asked to help invade Ukraine, or Canada, or to fire on Americans they know personally who are peacefully demonstrating, at some point they may refuse.

I don't relish the idea of any of this happening. It could be truly horrible. OR. The courts could stop Trump from every illegal thing he is trying to do. And SCOTUS won't let Trump put judges in jail. And the marshalls won't arrest Supreme Court judges. And the military won't obey illegal orders to enact martial law just because judges are being Judges.

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They all failed, many because he already had too much power/support. The most famous was Operation Valkyrie in 1944. There may be others we don't know about.

This page only lists 23...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_attempts_on_Adolf_Hitler

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Valkyrie

6 Times Hitler Was Almost Assassinated:

https://www.history.co.uk/article/killing-hitler-the-many-assassination-attempts-on-adolf-hitler#:~:text=The%20dictator%20had%20been%20lucky,it%20all%20for%20the%20Fuhrer.

making many enemies. I won't say anymore.

I mean he pushing 80, weighs 250+ lbs, and constantly eats McDonald's. Eventually his heart organ will be what does him in.

People have been predicting his death since his first term.

Trump can likely live another ten years-plus... what damage is he going to do in that time?

They only notice things that affect themselves, so the right is mostly ok with human rights violations and unfair policies that harm others. Not enough of them may be affected to tip the balance toward ousting him in time to prevent the country's collapse.

Right wing or left, everyone recognizes it and no one likes corruption. We need to talk up the grifting, and push it into their faces. It's sometimes hard to explain financial wrong-doing, but we need to break it down for the masses... think creatively and get it on a sign for protesting. Explain it to your neighbors as best you can.

It's the CORRUPTION, stupid!

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I’m a retired federal worker (from outside DC) and keep in touch with my former agency as well as another in a different cabinet (Department). For now, the permanent employees (minus a few probationary who chose not to come back) are still on the job, but we may only have til 9/30/25 til completion of the RIF. Whatever needs to be done, it needs to happen before federal agencies have been decimated.

Keith Olbermann said his demise was immanent 8 years ago. Yet, here we are.

There have ALWAYS been people who will prop Trump up.

The Republicans will be fractured between MAGAs and somewhat civilized conservatives. It will be messy as they try to find an acceptable middle ground with both sides trying to sabotage each other when trying to pass bills.

Trump will be helpful to both sides in his efforts to destroy the non-MAGAs.

Nearly 10 years we are plagued by this psycho and no real sign of him being stopped etc. although we see it posted here over and over again. It is getting pretty tedious. Maybe I will start a count of how often that gets posted here to keep track.

My Youtube feed has......EACH AND EVERY DAY........more videos of "Trump destroyed!, Trump handed devastating news!! Trump in fear!! "Trump this, Trump that" on and on and on. Obvious click bait with underwhelming evidense.

But I'm with you. I'm sick of his "imminent" demise. Just call me when the treasonous pig moron is dead.

Since we all seem to want this to end, but we don't seem motivated enough to make it end.

But, that's okay... the wealthy will survive and that is what is important, right?

Right??

The last thing I want is more tales of orange psycho's imminent demise etc.
Just wake me up when he is gone for good as I used to say. I'm beginning to lose hope at this point. 😢

Trump goes down he takes the entire gestalt of conservatism with him. We need more than 2 parties why must one be “conservative” thier ideas are backwards useless and hinder progress and they serve the rich not the people, besides there are too many narcissists on the right for any party they invent with the same old ideas to be useful or not a threat to democracy again in the future.

Wipe out the right’s blight.

As for impeaching trump the republicans cling to power and they are narcissists and cowardly and greedy. I don’t see any sense of morality, justice or sanity in any of them.

Trump will have to physically be taken out. Dragged out alive or dead to stop him. And wealth and asset accumulation MUST be capped so nobody could afford to buy the president, period.

If we get rid of all of the trumpistas tomorrow I would rejoice, but there wil still be at least a generation’s worth of damage to repair — and I won’t be here to see it.

better hurry up and do it!!!!!!!!! and take those Project 2025 goons and Leonard Leo and his Opus Dei too.

Yesssss!

Good article.

The Reich wing will glorify him just like a Reagan. St. Ronnie will be joined by St. Donnie. Nothing will ever happen to bring all these people to justice. The rich don't like messes and this is a huge one they let get far too out of control.

or maybe someone could accidentally give him a good shove into the water

just spitballing

Hitler ruled for 12 years. Mussolini more than 20 years. Putin has been in charge of Russia for decades now. Trump admittedly has been around for a number of years. I think given his age and physical condition he is likely to die of natural causes while in office. I hope that we find some other legal reason to remove him first though. If we can retake the Congress in 2026 we might have a shot at impeaching him.

Both the idea and the way it’s expressed!

he gets away with it and nothing changes. So I don't want him to die right now.

Whether he will be removed is the question. I give it no more than 50-50 odds but will continue to hope for that to happen. Even if he is gone, the damage is done and the oligarchs will double down. Whatever happens to Shitler the fight continues, until we ensure that this democracy cannot be so easily hijacked.

"Corruption on this scale cannot pass unchallenged indefinitely." Yes, it can. His henchmen and followers support avarice. No morals, no scruples, no conscience. They have extreme wealth and power. The forces against everything-- everything we care about --are very strong. After what we've seen recently, I don't underestimate what they would do, with or without the deranged orange pustule and his feces flinging shitshow.

Project 2025 has a lot of supporters. De-throning the mad king is not going to get to the sick heart of this. He's just doing their bidding, and Putin's.

He talks about how impeachment and 25th amendment are unlikely, but says Trump is going to "destroy himself" with his own stupidity. What is the mechanism for that exactly?

Seems a little bit optimistic to imagine he's just going to forget to breathe, or have an accident with a loaded gun. He has secret service to protect against that kind of thing.

A natural death, illness, some open window somewhere...

Then we'll get Vance, and some fake moves to "fix" what Trump broke, but in the end it won't change anything. We're already broken. Our personal information is already in their hands even more than it was before. They have their "AI" in place to run things, to make the dystopia function as it's planned.

America is dead. We'll never get back what we had, the future we were trying to make better for everyone. Maybe, sometime, we'll stagger back, try to gain the respect we lost, but it won't be the same. The next time some stupid, uneducated religious people think they want to turn us to JEEBUS again, it will start all over. Build it up, tear it down, get richer while the useful idiots cry about patriotism. Same story, different day. History repeats. And repeats. And repeats.