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erronis

(19,353 posts)
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 02:53 PM Apr 26

There Goes That Nobel Peace Prize -- Digby

https://digbysblog.net/2025/04/26/there-goes-that-nobel-peace-prize/



He’s so mad. (He’s also starting to make up words. “Tapping me along?” “Getting Yippy?” Not normal…)

The article in question (gift link)

If President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia drafted a shopping list of what he wanted from Washington, it would be hard to beat what he was offered in the first 100 days of President Trump’s new term.

Pressure on Ukraine to surrender territory to Russia? Check.

The promise of sanctions relief? Check.

Absolution from invading Ukraine? Check.

Indeed, as Mr. Trump met with President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine on the sidelines of the funeral of Pope Francis on Saturday, the president’s vision for peace appeared notably one-sided, letting Russia keep the regions it had taken by force in violation of international law while forbidding Ukraine from ever joining NATO.

But that is not all that Mr. Putin has gotten out of Mr. Trump’s return to power. Intentionally or not, many of the president’s actions on other fronts also suit Moscow’s interests, including the rifts he has opened with America’s traditional allies and the changes he has made to the U.S. government itself.

Mr. Trump has been tearing down American institutions that have long aggravated Moscow, such as Voice of America and the National Endowment for Democracy. He has been disarming the nation in its netherworld battle against Russia by temporarily halting cyberoffensive operations and curbing programs to combat Russian disinformation, election interference, sanctions violations and war crimes.

He spared Russia from the tariffs that he is imposing on imports from nearly every other nation, arguing that it was already under sanctions. Yet he still applied the tariff on Ukraine, the other party he is negotiating with. And in a reversal from his first term, Politico reported that Mr. Trump’s team is reportedly discussing whether to lift sanctions on Russia’s Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline to Europe, a project he has repeatedly condemned.


I doubt he liked this very much either:

“Trump has played right into Putin’s hands. It’s hard to see how Trump would have acted any differently if he were a Russian asset than how he has acted in the first 100 days of his second term.”— Ivo Dalder

Everything Baker said is true. Trump’s confidence that all he had to do was crook his finger and Ukraine would surrender and Putin would play along hasn’t worked out. He’s flailing.

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There Goes That Nobel Peace Prize -- Digby (Original Post) erronis Apr 26 OP
Shart of the Deal. Sneederbunk Apr 26 #1
Arse of the Deal. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 26 #2
Farce of the Deal CountMyVote4Reality Apr 26 #3
Touche' ! Bernardo de La Paz Apr 26 #9
Lotta word salad. The truth is that trump sucks at making deals... Wounded Bear Apr 26 #4
He's a sick man Give Peace A Chance Apr 26 #5
hmmm markie Apr 26 #6
Can Trump give as goof a rationale for supporting Putin now as Obama gave for not engaging in conflict then? Jit423 Apr 26 #7
He'll just declare a new "Presidential Peace Prize" and award it to himself. nt Buns_of_Fire Apr 26 #8

Wounded Bear

(61,833 posts)
4. Lotta word salad. The truth is that trump sucks at making deals...
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 05:28 PM
Apr 26

in anything; business, politics, geo-politics.

trump makes shitty deals.

markie

(23,340 posts)
6. hmmm
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 05:57 PM
Apr 26

whiny, immature, irrational, pathetic, naive, vindictive, vile, mean, etc., etc. all come to mind reading this

Jit423

(1,284 posts)
7. Can Trump give as goof a rationale for supporting Putin now as Obama gave for not engaging in conflict then?
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 06:04 PM
Apr 26

Obama explains why US didn't intervene when Crimea was annexed: There were many Russian sympathisers
Ukrainska Pravda
Fri, June 23, 2023 at 10:56 AM EDT2 min read


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Former US President Barack Obama, whose second term fell on Russia's annexation of Crimea and its invasion of Donbas, explained the lack of active support for Kyiv from the West compared to the events of 2022.

Source: Obama said this in an interview with CNN

Details: According to Obama, Ukraine in 2014 "was not the Ukraine we are talking about today".

Quote: "There is a reason why there was not an armed invasion of Crimea. Because Crimea was full of Russian speakers, and there was some sympathy to the view that Russia was representing its interest. The Rada [Ukrainian parliament – ed.] at the time still had a number of Russian sympathisers. The politics inside Ukraine were more complicated," he added.

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The US president also stood up for former German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who has been criticised for rapprochement with Russia and not being tough enough.

"Both myself and also Merkel, whom I give enormous credit for, had to pull in a lot of other Europeans kicking and screaming to impose the sanctions that we did and to prevent Putin from continuing through the Donbas into the rest of Ukraine," he said.

"Given both where Ukraine was at the time and where the European mindset was at the time, we held the line. And part of what happened was, over time, a sense of Ukrainian identity, separate from Russia, and a determination to push back against Russia, and an ability to prepare both militarily and civically to resist Russian pressure [appeared – ed.]," Obama added.

He concluded that the West challenged Putin "with the tools that we had at the time, given where Ukraine was at the time".

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