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BamaRefugee

(3,801 posts)
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 02:04 AM Apr 26

Why the pointless frenzy about tRump's poll numbers?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but how do poll numbers mean ANYTHING in our current situation?
There's not a Presidential election for 4 years, if then.
He's not going to be impeached.
He can, does, and will do anything he feels like and no one will stop him, even if his poll numbers were -627%.
He will ignore the rule of law and courts and judges no matter what the polls say.
Almost every person who voted for him, if there was an election, would probably vote for him again, they're addicts and they will be CRAVING a new fix of hate speech, anger, and bold-faced lies at rallies where their ultra low IQs are celebrated as a gift from God.
But he doesn't even need those votes.
He's got all the power and disapproval by ANYONE is just an exercise in futility.

What I would LOVE to see instead of poll numbers is:
CONCRETE IDEAS FOR US TO FIGHT BACK.
I'm sick of seeing "Obama warns of authoritarianism". I'm sick of seeing "Harris cautions to be alert for fascism". I'm sick of seeing Robert Reich stresses vigilance against complete destruction of our way of government". (and please, these are paraphrased, don't take me to task for non-exact quotes, I'm sure everyone has seen these types of post ad nauseum by now.)

All of these people WARNING US are absolute almost lifelong INSIDERS in the ways of power in Washington. They know all the ins and outs. The know all the tricks and fakes.

We're just regular people, working hard, trying to enjoy what little bits of life we can afford to. We have no knowledge about any of those things.

So PLEASE, all you highly intelligent, successful, skillful folks: STOP WARNING US!
INSTEAD, GIVE US KNOWLEDGE ON ACTUAL STEPS WE CAN TAKE TO FIGHT THIS.

If you can't, please drop all the hand wringing and rending of garments, it's just stressing us out. Just get in touch when you actually come up with something.

And I write this as someone radicalized by Chicago '68, someone who participated in demonstrations through the Vietnam war, and even organized the only anti-war demonstration I ever heard of in Alabama in the early 70s, someone who joined masses of people around the world demonstrating against the 1st Gulf War (War my ass. One sided slaughter, but I digress).
I was even in my living room in Los Angeles, with my Israeli girlfriend talking to her mother in Israel, on my phone, while we actually watched SCUD missiles being fired on Tel Aviv lIve on CNN.

So none of this is anti-Democrat or anything like it. It's just a feeble cry for some actual GUIDANCE for us now.

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Why the pointless frenzy about tRump's poll numbers? (Original Post) BamaRefugee Apr 26 OP
"...how do poll numbers mean ANYTHING in our current situation?" J_William_Ryan Apr 26 #1
An unpopular Trump regime WILL benefit Democrats in the midterms Jack Valentino Apr 26 #3
A drop in public support means a lot. It's comforting to know others are seeing what we are seeing, that others regret Doodley Apr 26 #2
Polls don't help to GOTV, that's the important part. multigraincracker Apr 26 #4
It's hard to overthrow the constitution LostOne4Ever Apr 26 #5
If he were that unpopular, the Congress would suddenly grow a backbone and he would be removed patricia92243 Apr 26 #6
They are cowards and not very bright Keepthesoulalive Apr 26 #7
The Repugs are beginnng to sense real fear and can no longer inhale his fecal debris. GreenWave Apr 26 #9
Thank you for this astute comment... OhioBack2Blue Apr 26 #12
People are hoping we still live in a democracy. Irish_Dem Apr 26 #8
It serves the purpose of reminding us that a significant number of our fellow Americans are totally batshoot freakin' artemisia1 Apr 26 #10
I totally agree with you about concrete action, but there IS purpose to the poll numbers and I am watching them. Scrivener7 Apr 26 #11
Maddow Blog-As his approval rating sinks, Trump wants investigations into pollsters LetMyPeopleVote Monday #13
Not so much pointless frenzy as just tracking opinion. Torchlight Monday #14
Blue Storm Surge 2026 if Democrats tie the enabler Republicons to his policies, especially tariff taxes Bernardo de La Paz Monday #15

J_William_Ryan

(2,702 posts)
1. "...how do poll numbers mean ANYTHING in our current situation?"
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 02:16 AM
Apr 26

An unpopular Trump regime could benefit Democrats in the midterms – at least in House races.

An unpopular Trump regime could also benefit Democrats in state and local elections.

And an unpopular Trump regime could influence enough Senate Republicans to join Democrats to oppose reckless, irresponsible measures from the House.

Doodley

(10,834 posts)
2. A drop in public support means a lot. It's comforting to know others are seeing what we are seeing, that others regret
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 02:26 AM
Apr 26

voting for him, that Americans in increasing numbers share our fears. These are the people we need on our side if we are to defeat Trump. You can't tell me, your weren't encouraged as you saw the tide of public opinon moving against the Vietnam war. Wasn't that part of your objective?

LostOne4Ever

(9,652 posts)
5. It's hard to overthrow the constitution
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 03:36 AM
Apr 26

If the majority of the people don’t support the would be dictators.

patricia92243

(12,948 posts)
6. If he were that unpopular, the Congress would suddenly grow a backbone and he would be removed
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 03:49 AM
Apr 26

from office. He would drag them down with them, and they know it.

Keepthesoulalive

(1,236 posts)
7. They are cowards and not very bright
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 04:10 AM
Apr 26

In Virginia the republicans are starting the purple caucus ,whatever that means. Fecal matter is very unpopular here and they are trying to play both sides. People will be motivated to vote against trump and they know it.

GreenWave

(11,108 posts)
9. The Repugs are beginnng to sense real fear and can no longer inhale his fecal debris.
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 06:45 AM
Apr 26

They fear the town halls. Imagine that. They fear their red districts and are too afraid to show up.

Stefanik recalled as they would LOSE that special election.

OhioBack2Blue

(55 posts)
12. Thank you for this astute comment...
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 08:00 AM
Apr 26

Exactly correct. We are not in normal times.

1) Unpopularity will not leverage the fascist party back to democracy.

2) Given what I have read, the leverage being held on these bootlickers ranges from being popular and "one of the guys," swearing an oath of loyalty, God's vison, big money, gambling debt, threats against family, drugs, porn, pedophilia, compromising videotape and other evidence or the appearance of hard evidence, loss of positional power, rape, fraud, possibly murder, death threats, and crimes of treason, I'm not sure what strategic leverage we can muster that would overcome this cemented in fascist bloc.

I think they are committed to the enterprise and though they are having many losses, they are winning a lot too.

We will know they were unpopular AFTER they have all been thrown out of elected office, off of corporate boards, and out of CEO chairs!


Irish_Dem

(69,126 posts)
8. People are hoping we still live in a democracy.
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 06:24 AM
Apr 26

So opinions might matter, votes might matter.

But yes it is doubtful that any of that matters any longer.

artemisia1

(990 posts)
10. It serves the purpose of reminding us that a significant number of our fellow Americans are totally batshoot freakin'
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 06:55 AM
Apr 26

crazy. Anything higher than a two percent approval rating demonstrates how sick our society has become.

Scrivener7

(55,549 posts)
11. I totally agree with you about concrete action, but there IS purpose to the poll numbers and I am watching them.
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 07:47 AM
Apr 26

Mump only has the power he has because the republicans in Congress are not opposing him. If he becomes unpopular enough, if enough people in red states start saying, "Oh, shit, this is hurting ME!" the money people will stop backing the reps, and Congress will start voting against him.

As far as concrete action, don't let anyone tell you there's nothing we can do. Here are two lists of things we could do today, but are not doing.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20246371
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220104953

Directing public opinion, dominating the news cycles, are important parts of this. It's something we suck at, and we need more negative messaging on the administration, not less.

Also, 3..2..1.. till some brain trust says, "What are YOU doing," thereby proving they didn't read and have no concept of what we're up against here.

LetMyPeopleVote

(162,428 posts)
13. Maddow Blog-As his approval rating sinks, Trump wants investigations into pollsters
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 12:53 PM
Monday

Instead of dealing with the failures that have led to his drop in support, the president is blaming pollsters and news organizations.
https://bsky.app/profile/stevebenen.com/post/3lnuq3mvmts2c

Trump could deal with the failures that have made him so unpopular.

But he apparently finds it easier to call for investigations into "criminal" pollsters — rhetoric that's become difficult to simply shrug off.



https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/approval-rating-sinks-trump-wants-investigations-pollsters-rcna203262

For his part, Trump has seen the shift in public attitudes, and he’s ready to reassess the direction of his failing presidency.

No, I’m just kidding. He’s actually lashing out at pollsters in new and ridiculous ways. Newsweek noted:

President Donald Trump has said pollsters that have shown his approval ratings sliding in recent weeks should be investigated for “election fraud.” Trump cited recent polls from The New York Times, ABC News/The Washington Post, and Fox News, which put his approval rating on 42 percent, 39 percent, and 44 percent respectively.

As this week got underway, Trump, shortly before sunrise, published an item to his social media platform that read, “We don’t have a Free and Fair ‘Press’ in this Country anymore. We have a Press that writes BAD STORIES, and CHEATS, BIG, ON POLLS. IT IS COMPROMISED AND CORRUPT. SAD!”

That came shortly on the heels of a related item, in which he lashed out at “FAKE POLLS FROM FAKE NEWS ORGANIZATIONS.” The president added, “These people should be investigated for ELECTION FRAUD, and add in the FoxNews Pollster while you’re at it.”.....

The hysterics were not altogether surprising. Trump did, after all, sue The Des Moines Register for publishing the results of a poll he didn’t like. So it stands to reason that he’d freak out in response to an avalanche of survey data showing his fading popularity.

But to the extent that reality has any bearing on this discussion, there are a few things to keep in mind here. The first is that there is no conspiracy: Polls show Trump struggling because Trump is failing and much of the public has noticed.

Second, the basis of the president’s weird conspiracy theory is absurd on its face: Pollsters can’t be engaged in “election interference” when there is no election, and the politician in question can’t run for re-election. (Even if there were an election, of course, there’s nothing improper about releasing public opinion research that one party doesn’t like.)

Third, and most importantly, some might feel the temptation to simply shrug off Trump’s call for an investigation into “criminal” polling, but given recent events, that seems inherently risky. This president has already a demonstrated a willingness to direct the Justice Department to go after his perceived foes, and there’s no reason to assume he’ll abandon these authoritarian-style tactics anytime soon.

Torchlight

(4,572 posts)
14. Not so much pointless frenzy as just tracking opinion.
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 01:45 PM
Monday

I see them as real-time instruments available for observing the snapshots public sentiment and tracking opinion and momentum. I'm not asking it to make conclusions for me, and I doubt many are. If he's -627% underwater, I tend to think it's directly relevant to the here and now.

Bernardo de La Paz

(55,127 posts)
15. Blue Storm Surge 2026 if Democrats tie the enabler Republicons to his policies, especially tariff taxes
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 01:50 PM
Monday

The only reason tRump got to apply his disastrous tariff taxes is because the Republicons voted to give up their authority over tariffs.

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