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moniss

(8,172 posts)
Sun Mar 3, 2024, 11:58 PM Mar 2024

We certainly are a different nation

than just a few decades ago. I know that might seem to be expected and most of us do accept that things change. But for those of us who lived through it all the differences are staggering in what is enough to disqualify one from public trust and render someone unfit to be President in the eyes of so many millions in the country.

In a couple of months we will be at the 37th anniversary of Gary Hart withdrawing his run for President because a photo came out of a woman sitting on his lap who was not his wife and was alleged to be his girlfriend. Even though it was 1987 and well past the wild '60's the public turned thumbs down in a huge way. Now here we are and in 2016 a candidate paid hush money to a porn star while his wife was pregnant with his child and about half the countries voters thought that was cool. Inch forward to 2024 and that same candidate now not only has that to his "resume" but also a settlement shortly after the 2016 election for defrauding students, a finding of guilt for sexual assault, 2 findings of guilt for defaming the sexual assault victim, a finding of guilt for massive financial fraud running his companies and pending felony cases in 3 states and the District of Columbia.

With that long and lurid resume, with possibly more to come, about half the country still appears ready to fall on their knees and bow their heads to this candidate. It appears that, for most of the media and a huge percentage of people, there is to be no possible behavior that would go too far and disqualify a candidate as happened long ago. It appears the only thing that could do that to a candidate would be being old enough to remember how outraged that same media and populace was nearly 37 years ago.

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SoFlaBro

(3,690 posts)
1. The media became part of the profit center of their network thus fucking up news for us for fucking ever.
Mon Mar 4, 2024, 12:03 AM
Mar 2024

moniss

(8,172 posts)
2. Yes indeed and when
Mon Mar 4, 2024, 12:07 AM
Mar 2024

the news became something that was deemed as "needing to make money" it was no longer something operating in the public interest.

SoFlaBro

(3,690 posts)
3. Very succinctly stated. Also, the fucking MSMS is in the goddamn tank for shitty ass MAGA for pissed on money.
Mon Mar 4, 2024, 12:13 AM
Mar 2024

rubbersole

(10,725 posts)
10. "in the goddamned tank" was all it took to derail Dukakis.
Mon Mar 4, 2024, 02:56 AM
Mar 2024

For those of us who are old enough to remember.

Silent Type

(11,439 posts)
4. Media reported trump's rapes, Stormy, payoff, etc. Some people just didn't/don't care.
Mon Mar 4, 2024, 12:21 AM
Mar 2024

They’ll report on upcoming trial.

It’s not the media, it’s people who just don’t care when it comes to trump.

moniss

(8,172 posts)
6. It's about the framing
Mon Mar 4, 2024, 12:55 AM
Mar 2024

etc. Go back to how the media covered the Gary Hart situation and actually look at how it was presented. That's my point. It is different to just "report" his convictions as opposed to what went down during Gary Hart's run for President. It is the media and reporters know that if they want to get published/invited on shows they have to do things a certain way because that is what the show producers/hosts want. As an old Peter, Paul and Mary lyric went "but if I really say it, the radio won't play it, unless I lay it between the lines."

Silent Type

(11,439 posts)
7. I think Hart, Edwards, Spitzer, etc., let us down. GOPers don't feel that way about trump.
Mon Mar 4, 2024, 01:09 AM
Mar 2024

They should, but they don’t. Different framing wouldn’t matter. But agree that it’s extremely odd, as is this whole trump mess since 2015.

moniss

(8,172 posts)
9. I agree with the let down
Mon Mar 4, 2024, 01:20 AM
Mar 2024

and it's not that I would have wanted people to do something like "frame it away" so to speak. But it is the idea that what was so "scandalous" then has obviously been eclipsed by light years now and that what media finds "disqualifying" now is someone being older.

mn9driver

(4,787 posts)
5. A couple generations of agitprop is all it took.
Mon Mar 4, 2024, 12:21 AM
Mar 2024

In the age of mass media and ever more sophisticated manipulation of their target audience, the right figured out how to turn the first amendment into a suicide pact. And now it is bearing fruit.

moniss

(8,172 posts)
8. Very well said
Mon Mar 4, 2024, 01:15 AM
Mar 2024

and the proliferation of 24/7 media that keeps repeating the same stories over and over. I remember when Air America cam on the scene and I was hopeful about getting a wide variety of subjects covered and unique programming that would allow under-reported stories and under-represented groups an opportunity for having regular programming featuring the stories and people of those groups. Initially it was OK somewhat but I wasn't seeing a hoped for diversity for LGBTQ+ focused programming, Native American programming or immigrant focused programming. But I thought maybe it's going to come. Not really and before too long whatever the issue of the day was would be carried through from morning until night from host to host all day long. I need to hear about a topic a couple of times a day but I don't need it constantly for 12 or 14 hours straight saying the same takes/questions over and over with just different voices/heads.

Still to this day it is staggering to me that with 168 hours per week of programming hours for each major network and cable news channel that we still don't "seem to find" the ability to carve even 15 minutes for programming each week focused on those groups and their issues. But the program managers feel it is a better use of the time to repeat the same thing that was said all day long. But as we know programming in the "public interest" is anything they want to call it any longer.

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moniss

(8,172 posts)
12. Very astute observation
Mon Mar 4, 2024, 05:00 PM
Mar 2024

and I have pointed out many times how ignorant most of the population is about propaganda techniques and how to spot them. It is well known that constant exposure to conditioning messages decreases the level of objective examination in people. In other words they don't have to think about complex things because the answers will be reassuringly provided to them on a regular basis.

They are conditioned to accept conditioning. They are told that all issues are defined with easy simple words like "dangerous", "illegal", "patriotic", "pro-life", "family friendly", "grooming", "job creators" etc. The buzz words get repeated over and over in show after show and speech after speech by politicians and others. They have specialists in "communications"/propaganda who shape when to use which words, how often during a day and how to alternate them with the "solution" words.

They know these things because they use people in research groups all the time and measure how they respond to every nuance. They know the colors to use while showing images and how often and in what order to use them to get a response. They are way beyond Pavlov.

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