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bigtree

(92,991 posts)
Fri Jan 26, 2024, 08:40 PM Jan 2024

One of the main reasons Texas joined the US was because it couldn't protect itself from Mexico

Živilee 🇺🇲🇧🇦🇺🇦 @zivinilee
One of the main reasons Texas joined the US was because it couldn't protect itself from Mexico. It needed help and protection by the US. Paxton is an example of what happens when you play a Texan on tv, but aren't from Texas or don't know its history.

Acyn @Acyn
Paxton: There’s no way that Texas would’ve joined the Union if that meant we couldn’t protect ourselves





see: Mexican-American War
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One of the main reasons Texas joined the US was because it couldn't protect itself from Mexico (Original Post) bigtree Jan 2024 OP
Please give Texas back gopiscrap Jan 2024 #1
You took the words right out of my mouth. Wonder Why Jan 2024 #2
Said the same thing elsewhere recently Jarqui Jan 2024 #5
And Texas did not want to be part of Mexico because Sneederbunk Jan 2024 #3
In the end, most of 19th Century US history (the first 70 years anyway) was about slavery... Wounded Bear Jan 2024 #7
Ahistorical nonsense... WarGamer Jan 2024 #4
we'll just ignore the U.S. troops that fought that war. bigtree Jan 2024 #8
I'm not talking about the Mexican-American War... that was a decade later. WarGamer Jan 2024 #9
Mexican - American War April 25, 1846 ended February 3, 1848 bigtree Jan 2024 #12
All correct. Like I said earlier. WarGamer Jan 2024 #16
Slave states were desperate for TX to join the Union as a slave state, so they wouldn't lose parity in the Senate. eppur_se_muova Jan 2024 #6
LOL former9thward Jan 2024 #10
the war that guaranteed the independence from Mexico that Texas spent a decade fighting to achieve? bigtree Jan 2024 #13
Remember the Alamo? This is amusing, but it's really not accurate. Texas had already won a war against Mexico. LauraInLA Jan 2024 #11
they were still fighting long after that bigtree Jan 2024 #14
and all the rest of the states joined for noble reasons 😅 🙄 nt Raine Jan 2024 #15
"We stole it fair & square" - the mantra of some Texans UTUSN Jan 2024 #17

Jarqui

(10,770 posts)
5. Said the same thing elsewhere recently
Fri Jan 26, 2024, 09:59 PM
Jan 2024

Imagine what the electoral college looks like without Texas

Wounded Bear

(63,189 posts)
7. In the end, most of 19th Century US history (the first 70 years anyway) was about slavery...
Fri Jan 26, 2024, 10:26 PM
Jan 2024

in some sense. Even innocuous shit that happened will have peripheral connections to the slavery issue if you dig.

WarGamer

(18,017 posts)
4. Ahistorical nonsense...
Fri Jan 26, 2024, 09:44 PM
Jan 2024

"couldn't protect itself from Mexico"

FFS Texan won their War of Independence from Mexico.

Ask Santa Anna how the Battle of San Jacinto went after the Alamo...

A decade before joining the USA.

At most... security with Mexico was "a" concern... but in reality, it was DEBT and they were courted by Southern US States...

And a great number of Texan leaders were from the US.



bigtree

(92,991 posts)
8. we'll just ignore the U.S. troops that fought that war.
Fri Jan 26, 2024, 10:27 PM
Jan 2024

...weren't just from Texas.

Or that it was the United States that declared war on Mexico, and it was the United States that won the war and got Mexico to relinquish claims on Texas.

List of United States military and volunteer units in the Mexican–American War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_military_and_volunteer_units_in_the_Mexican%E2%80%93American_War

WarGamer

(18,017 posts)
9. I'm not talking about the Mexican-American War... that was a decade later.
Fri Jan 26, 2024, 10:34 PM
Jan 2024

The Texians won their war with Mexico in 1836... the greater war was 1846.

bigtree

(92,991 posts)
12. Mexican - American War April 25, 1846 ended February 3, 1848
Fri Jan 26, 2024, 11:11 PM
Jan 2024

...since the war followed the 1845 American annexation of Texas, and the end result of the U.S. fighting that war was Mexico recognizing Texas as part of the Union, it's obvious that it took the U.S. to guarantee that separation from Mexico through its military power and the negotiations that resulted; something Texas had not been able to achieve on its own.

There was fear that the Britain would join with Mexico to seize Texas after annexation because the move, which was rejected several times by successive presidents, including Texas legislators, was finally accepted to make a big slave state to advantage the slave holding south.

Texians waged a 'revolution' that lasted less than a year and saw humiliating defeats at Alamo and Goliad. They held Santa Anna and forced him to sign treaties that no one in Mexico recognized.

Texas and Mexico officially remained at war for most of the nine years that Texas existed as an independent republic. Although it never erupted into full scale fighting, there were constant skirmishes which resulted in Sam Houston agreeing to an armistice with Mexico in June 1843.


WarGamer

(18,017 posts)
16. All correct. Like I said earlier.
Sat Jan 27, 2024, 12:22 AM
Jan 2024

All I claimed... was that Texas had already won the War for Independence... in 1836

IMHO, the primary reason for joining the US was financial, at the urging of the Southern States.

And sure... security reasons, too... Mexico got really pissed after the annexation.

eppur_se_muova

(40,300 posts)
6. Slave states were desperate for TX to join the Union as a slave state, so they wouldn't lose parity in the Senate.
Fri Jan 26, 2024, 10:18 PM
Jan 2024

And the TX leaders who were involved were all Americans emigrants who didn't want to pay taxes to Mexico after their tax holiday lapsed. Both sides were eager to cut a deal.

It was all self-serving on both sides.

bigtree

(92,991 posts)
13. the war that guaranteed the independence from Mexico that Texas spent a decade fighting to achieve?
Fri Jan 26, 2024, 11:19 PM
Jan 2024

...I love the absense of anything to back up the ridicule.

Texas was still fighting Mexico when the U.S. stepped in with regular and volunteer forces. In September 1842, the Mexico sent a force of 1,600 soldiers and briefly occupied San Antonio.

It's just ridiculous to assume they could have achieved independence from Mexico without a U.S. president (with their own self-serving motives) backing annexation with military force.

LauraInLA

(2,248 posts)
11. Remember the Alamo? This is amusing, but it's really not accurate. Texas had already won a war against Mexico.
Fri Jan 26, 2024, 11:04 PM
Jan 2024

bigtree

(92,991 posts)
14. they were still fighting long after that
Fri Jan 26, 2024, 11:44 PM
Jan 2024

...besides, Mexico didn't recognize Santa Anna's treaty he signed under duress at all.

For that matter, annexation didn't come until years later, when Texas' slave owners attracted southern slave owners looking for a large territory ally.

In that interim, there were several major skirmishes with Mexico and Texas troops both winning battles, killing a lot of them and Texas really at the end of its rope when Sam Houston agreed to an armistice with Mexico in June 1843.

He did so because it was economically detrimental to maintain the state of war with Mexico that STILL existed. But it was contingent on Texas remaining independent from the slave owning U.S..

The war started with a border dispute in what's now southern Texas, likely provoked by Polk and his expansionist aims.

To me, independence for Texas didn't come from an armistice arrranged by Sam Houston and Britain. In my view, it was the U.S. military that achieved that goal with permanacy through war, not Texas.

UTUSN

(76,031 posts)
17. "We stole it fair & square" - the mantra of some Texans
Sat Jan 27, 2024, 12:29 AM
Jan 2024

Let's see: They (mostly Southern U.S.) weaseled their way, swore to convert to a foreign religion & non-slavery, eventually reneged on what they agreed-to, asserted their superior race, ended with brute force.

*** Oh, here's a thought: Now Texas, which reneged on what it agreed-to before (with Mexico), is now rebelling to what it agreed-to (with U.S.) - ya, OK.

Common thread. Doesn't change its stripes. Scorpion, its nature.




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