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Stinky The Clown

(68,815 posts)
Thu Jan 11, 2024, 08:10 PM Jan 2024

I just learned a term that is new to me: English as a New Language/ENL

I heard it on the CBS Evening News. They were doing a story on "migrant children" now in the NYC school system. They interviewed an ENL teacher at a school with a high immigrant enrollment.

It's not a second language. It is a new language. I like the different emphasis

When asked how they approach teaching ENL, she said lots of smiles and laughter to make the process fun.

I need to note the obvious. NYC is a Democratic sanctuary city.

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I just learned a term that is new to me: English as a New Language/ENL (Original Post) Stinky The Clown Jan 2024 OP
The euphemisms are coming faster. Igel Jan 2024 #1
How is this a euphemism? Euphemism for what? WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2024 #3
How in the world get you get to violence from ELL now being ENL? LearnedHand Jan 2024 #9
Post removed Post removed Jan 2024 #2
What language is being controlled here? WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2024 #4
Constantly renaming things isn't just a liberal characteristic Bucky Jan 2024 #5
Liberals? MineralMan Jan 2024 #6
Depending on where the students are from, they may already be multilingual RockRaven Jan 2024 #7
Non-Americans tend to be more likely to be multilingual Retrograde Jan 2024 #10
Well I think the jury is still out on that one as there is already an ENL GreenWave Jan 2024 #8

Igel

(37,129 posts)
1. The euphemisms are coming faster.
Thu Jan 11, 2024, 08:24 PM
Jan 2024

Used to be that the new euph on the block would show up every 2-3 years.

Now it's an annual event. The referent doesn't change, nor do the complications caused. But it's a new reason to beat up on somebody out of the loop.

I still go with "ELL".

LearnedHand

(5,047 posts)
9. How in the world get you get to violence from ELL now being ENL?
Thu Jan 11, 2024, 09:18 PM
Jan 2024

Good grief. Language is always evolving to reflect new information, new technology, new complexity. Language is a fluid as people are, and it's a beautiful thing that it can stretch and grow. I mean, we're not still calling cars "horseless carriages" because we no longer frame transportation as occurring with or without horses. "ENL" simply reframes the blinkered "ESL" to acknowledge that new English learners may know more than one other language.

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Bucky

(55,334 posts)
5. Constantly renaming things isn't just a liberal characteristic
Thu Jan 11, 2024, 08:45 PM
Jan 2024

Maga is just a renamed "Tea Party"
which is a renamed "moral majority"
which is a renamed "ignorant yokels voting through their hatreds"

Don't get mad at liberals. Get mad at the English language with all these damn synonyms.

RockRaven

(18,110 posts)
7. Depending on where the students are from, they may already be multilingual
Thu Jan 11, 2024, 08:50 PM
Jan 2024

just not English speakers, which would make it a more accurate term...

Retrograde

(11,295 posts)
10. Non-Americans tend to be more likely to be multilingual
Thu Jan 11, 2024, 09:20 PM
Jan 2024

than the average American. Immigrants from Central America may speak an indigenous language as well as Spanish. My forebearers spoke Polish and German before they came to the US, and learned English as their 3rd language.

I like the new term - it avoids the built-in assumption that non-Americans all speak only one language

GreenWave

(11,742 posts)
8. Well I think the jury is still out on that one as there is already an ENL
Thu Jan 11, 2024, 09:10 PM
Jan 2024

To wit, to woo:
https://www.thoughtco.com/english-as-a-native-language-enl-1690598

By Richard Nordquist
Richard Nordquist
English and Rhetoric Professor

Ph.D., Rhetoric and English, University of Georgia
M.A., Modern English and American Literature, University of Leicester
B.A., English, State University of New York

Dr. Richard Nordquist is professor emeritus of rhetoric and English at Georgia Southern University and the author of several university-level grammar and composition textbooks.
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Updated on May 29, 2019

Definition: The variety of the English language spoken by people who acquired English as their first language or mother tongue.

English as a Native Language (ENL) is commonly distinguished from English as an Additional Language (EAL), English as a Second Language (ESL), and English as a Foreign Language (EFL).

Native Englishes include American English, Australian English, British English, Canadian English, Irish English, New Zealand English, Scottish English, and Welsh English. In recent years, the proportion of ENL speakers has steadily declined while the use of English in ESL and EFL regions has rapidly incre

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